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14 August 2007 @ 08:10 pm
this isn't really life, but it's a damn good holograph  
I read TV reviews habitually - not product reviews, I mean reviews of programmes; mainly out of masochism because I only have four channels to choose from (three if I want to watch TV in English). Sunday's review mentioned Nationwide, which is a hokey programme that goes around the country asking people about their cows and stuff. I have no idea, tbh, I don't watch it. But the review mentioned knitting clubs that are springing up all over - 'stitch'n'bitch as they're called in America.' The first I heard of stitch'n'bitch was in rageprufrock's SGA fic about the same. I love that they're connected - it's proof that the universe makes absolutely no sense. (It's a lot like Battlestar Galactica in that way.)

But that wasn't the point of my post.

I've been trying to write the next chapter of RLT, and I think I have to get this rant out of the way first.

I haven't written a WIP since my first foray into fandom, something only coralia13 and purlicue will now remember. My ficcing career has not been free from criticism, which I think I've always handled politely and even gracefully. But it's different with one-shots. People do not get invested in one-shots because, well -- they're over like that. People do get invested in WIPs. From a writing standpoint this is new for me. I might as well be honest: it's a little hard to deal with.

People have raised many good critical points about the story and characterisation of RLT, some of which I've taken on board, others of which I never will. But hard as it is to separate criticism from criticiser, it seems equally difficult to separate writing from writer. If I were incredibly good at this, there wouldn't be so many issues - not to mention, I'd probably be posting my manuscripts to a publisher and not to a weblog that doesn't even welcome my kind. A lot - maybe all - of my plots and characterisation turn on the simple expedient of 'this is what my brain came up with, so this is what I'm writing.' Convenience is the buzzword here. It's not a good way to write, but it certainly ain't a unique way. I'm sorry I'm not a better writer, but I swear I'm doing my best.

Would I write differently if I had been brought up differently and had a different relationship with my family? Yes, of course. My moral code is questionable, and pretty much boils down to 'what if?' If X happened, I'd do Y. If Y happened, I'd do Z. Guess what? As far as I'm concerned, that's how everyone acts.

Fandom has been good at seeing all sides of all characters. The defences for Draco and Snape run into the thousands. Most make the point that the sins of the father should not be visited on the children. It's a good point. The virtues of the father should not be visited on the children either. The NG kids are a blank canvas. I am, again, truly sorry that my James and my Rose aren't what everyone wants them to be - but if I were your kids, I'd find it damn hard to live up to those expectations myself.

I'm not telling people 'if you don't like it, write your own' or to go read the OBHWF stuff that litters the net. I respect my readers as much as I respect anyone, but I'm also human. And I'm tired of what feels like personal attacks on an impersonal piece of writing. You find the situations disturbing? I find your reactions to it disturbing. Where is the forgiveness, the understanding, the idea of giving people a chance? Everyone deserves one. I'm not saying the capability of giving that chance is present in everyone, or indeed anyone, but it should be acknowledged that in an ideal world it would be so. And who's to say Albus isn't the one with the flawed POV?

If I could describe myself in one word, it would be 'observant'. If I had two, I'd add in 'judgemental.' Three? 'Critical.' Four? 'Unforgiving.' This, believe it or not, makes me a pretty astute observer of human nature inasmuch as I've seen it. Nice people are often boring, annoying or both. Good people are only good to a point, bad people to a point (usually the same point) and there's nothing worse than people with nothing to say saying nothing endlessly. My characters' good or bad qualities should not be as much a matter for concern as the plausibility of the same. You want to tell me that I haven't covered my ass in a plausibility suit? That's what I want to hear. That you have a personal problem with what my characters are doing? For the last time, I'm sorry, but I really, really can't help you there.
 
 
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Riakessie on August 14th, 2007 08:07 pm (UTC)
It's horrible that the first thing that pops into my head is: But it's fiction! They're not real!

My sister and I had a relationship which could easily be described as mutual loathing. We couldn't last ten seconds without arguing; we were physically violent with each other. It was getting to the point where I could not actually contemplate living in the same house as her anymore. And it stayed that way until I moved to Dublin last September (she actually misses me now and looks forward to me coming home for a few days). Though now I look back and realised we were channeling our parents' rage towards each other something fierce, I honestly believe me moving was what saved our sibling relationship.

So, yeah, some siblings actually do fight and argue to point where James and Albus do. I was one of them. And people can go on about how James is being too vicious for his age and Albus being too accepting of it for his age, but it does happen. Some families just turn out that way.
Ria: caterina tears (text)kessie on August 14th, 2007 08:32 pm (UTC)
Also, I forgot to add that it's good that people are reacting as so to your characters - it's shown that you've made them care, made them react to your writing, and that's really good!
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vickevire: Tentacled Lovevickevire on August 14th, 2007 08:10 pm (UTC)
Hey, I'm having no problem with your charaterization at all. Actually, I've incorporated them into my HP word so firmly that they've become canon to me...! I've read very few epiloge fics, and I suspect my view of James will remain the way you write him, at least until I've read a couple of equally good written epiloge stories, so I can incorporate other charactarizatons of him and look at him more flexibly, as I do with DM, HP and that gang. I kid you not, I've tried to read a story or two and scoffed because James's not portrated as a star-struck brat... :P

I'm pretty sure you could "explain" your characteration of James and Rose more, but then the focus of the story would change, and frankly, I'm not interested in James and Rose, I'm interested in the ASS :P

Also, you DID give us lots of backstory to James character in chp 8, and I... well, it all felt true to me. Plz write more.


every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:13 pm (UTC)
See, I wanted to make James real - an actual person, not just 'Albus' brother in an ASS fic'. This was what happened. Some people don't like it. I am not a representative of anti-bullying associations worldwide; it's not my job as a writer to advertise or preach or teach. It's just to write a story.

Some people don't get that; you do.
(no subject) - vickevire on August 15th, 2007 09:58 pm (UTC) (Expand)
My imaginary friend thinks I'm brilliant.: New York City Ballet 2003 season publicilanitha on August 14th, 2007 08:10 pm (UTC)
Aside from the fanfic (something I can't really comment on), how do you feel nowadays about the career path you've been shoved on to?
I vividly remember your fears about that and since I haven't seen you back on LJ as anything but a writer (mostly), I have the feeling that there's still some sort of struggle going on right there, Y/N?

Hope you're well either way. Miss your personal (=not fic related, as insufficient as that may seem, since your fic is obviously personal as well... Please don't misunderstand!) posts!
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:17 pm (UTC)
I'm okay with it now. Seriously. I think life is a lot more about taking the good with the bad than chasing after stars. I'm not head over heels in love with my course, but it's fulfilling and I'm going to have a good career at the end of it. That's as good as I can expect.

I haven't written many personal posts mainly because all I've been doing lately is writing fic! That may change, it may not. I tend to get too busy for lj during term time; fic ties me here. :D
The Goddamn Wolf Womanslythwolf on August 14th, 2007 08:13 pm (UTC)
How people can whine about characters that we literally know three sentences about being OOC is beyond me.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:32 pm (UTC)
OOC wasn't the complaint levelled; they just don't like the characters. You're right, that would be ridiculous.
winkingannie: bangwinkingannie on August 14th, 2007 08:15 pm (UTC)
It's your writing, you should write what you want.

Platitude aside, I think people have a hard time dealing with mean/bad/abusive kids that come from "good" parents. I personally think you've shown that there are real negative traits in Hermione, Ron, Ginny and Harry that are coming out in their kids. I think it's an amazing character piece. I also think that some people forget that kids go throw phases -- Harry himself seriously annoyed me with his behavior/attitude in several of the books.

In sum, please keep writing this, because I am really enjoying it.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:34 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I guess people are having gut reactions or something. And so am I. I kind of want people to go with the flow a little more, but that's hypocritical, because I never do.
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every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:35 pm (UTC)
Exactabiggle. I always try to justify myself, as well.
karadin on August 14th, 2007 08:23 pm (UTC)
Ah, hon, don't let those comments get you down, in one sense it proves how well you've done, that people care so much about the characters that you've fleshed out, and I wouldn't worry too much about what may seem violent, after all, JKR's books are very violent - it is a fantasy world that you've made, where the laws are different. First of all, write for yourself, once you've put the fic out in the world, it has its own life.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:37 pm (UTC)
That's so true, about the fic having its own life. For one thing, it means way more to some people than it does to me. I've never put less effort into a piece of writing - maybe that's what shows. Och well. :D
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mrsquizzicalmrsquizzical on August 14th, 2007 08:37 pm (UTC)
i'm so sorry if my comments have contributed to this.

you make some very good points here.

thanks for your fic. i really do look forward to the next chapter.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:38 pm (UTC)
Don't be sorry; it's not your fault. I'm writing this one way, but my characterisation is far from perfect - and I guess I'm too lazy to correct it most of the time, when called on it.
fat girl rules the worldfatgirlrules on August 14th, 2007 08:47 pm (UTC)
Don't let the Muggles get you down.

I hate your James and Rose--I mean really HATE them, but I love your fic and your writing. The fact that I hate them just shows that you rock. Plus, you post every couple of days which is awesome. You were in a unique position of having no ready-made villians with ready-made motivations, and I think you've done an awesome job.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:38 pm (UTC)
That's true. And to be fair, this is the first time I've tried to put real villians into anything. Most of my fics are vaguely-plotted and romance-centric. Newbie mistakes, I guess!
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featherofeelingfeatherofeeling on August 14th, 2007 08:54 pm (UTC)
I'm sort of dismayed that you're feeling bad about the comments, because I love this story so much and want you to love writing and posting it just as much! :( <3

How many comments were you responding to? Because I read through the discussion of ch. 8 just now, and it seems like most people who address James and Rose are expressing disappointment in the characters themselves, not in you for writing them that way. They've accepted the characterizations to the extent that they're criticizing the children's behavior as if they were real, itching to reach through the story and make them stop being the asses that so many kids are in real life. Which I see as a testimony to the story!

Fandom gets so attached to its characters that they attain an independent, real status in our minds. As such, I read my James and my Rose aren't what everyone wants them to be as that they aren't what readers want them to be as people, not as characters. I'm disappointed in them myself, but I certainly don't want you to change them, because I think our dislike of them feeds one of the strengths of the story, which is how you deal with generations. Does that make sense, or was I just rambling?
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:40 pm (UTC)
Well, I kinda saw it as a testimony to my failure to write them acceptably. Then again, this is all pretty subjective stuff - and my opinion might not be as valid as a reader's. :D

It makes a lot of sense, and if everyone reacted that way - that they're a part of the story, an essential part, rather than a horrible anomaly - this post wouldn't exist.
Scarletscarletscarlet on August 14th, 2007 08:55 pm (UTC)
You're getting crap about the characterisations? That's not cool. Your story is fantastic, and in the context you've written, everyone fits beautifully. If you'd written a different story, chosen a different approach, they could be, well, different. But, yeah, based on the epilogue, we know next to nothing about the kids, so I reckon they're fair game.

We know that Albus is a bit uncertain sometimes, and that his older brother has been less than helpful in that regard. Extrapolating a much more antagonistic sibling relationship seems perfectly reasonable to me. All you can really do for the kids is take what we know about the parents and consider how they might've been raised... throw in their own personalities (about which we have hardly any information)... oh, and add nineteen years to the last canon character information we *had* about the parents... I read your James and Rose as perfectly plausible. If Rose is learning by example, and her parents hadn't changed their personalities a lot since school, I can see that being shown up would be a really big deal for her.

And I love that you wrote Dudley a magical child, one that's unusually strong, and the twins *rock*. The main boys are brilliant too, very individual - it would be extremely dull if AS/S was just H/D in the future :-/.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:42 pm (UTC)
If Rose is learning by example, and her parents hadn't changed their personalities a lot since school, I can see that being shown up would be a really big deal for her.

I didn't actively think about that when writing her, but it must have been at the back of my mind, else she wouldn't have come out that way. That my defence works even post-writing means that it has to be in some way true. I write these two as entitlement bitches, and that's really all I can say. There's other fics out there where they're not. Complaining that they're not in this fic ... annoys me.
pale pubescent beast: copperbadge/snape/smackabitchwildestranger on August 14th, 2007 09:33 pm (UTC)
I'm astonished that people are complaining about your characteristation - if one disagrees with someone's characterisation to such an extent, one has the option of not reading it - but if I understand this correctly, people are complaing that James and Rose are not Nice People since Harry, Ron and Hermione are Nice People? Then I would commend you for your patience and your good humour, because if someone said that to me I'd invite them to come over so I could smack their bitch down, and point out that they are too stupid to live. If you'd like to point me to where people are saying this, I'd be happy to do the same. *g*

I personally find nothing implausible or inconsistent with canon with your versions of Albus etc. I think they are an interesting and innovative way of imagining the next generation. And considering what we see of Harry's attitude in RLT (which is also consistent with canon-Harry, and the overall ideology of canon Gryffindorishness), it makes perfect sense for James and Rose to behave as they do, that is, entitled, selfish because of their entitlement, and resentful of those Not Like Them (much as Ron and Ginny are in canon).

Also, Celerity? Is hilarious. I'm glad that you are continuing the canonical fashion for giving children godawful names. ;)
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:43 pm (UTC)
people are complaing that James and Rose are not Nice People since Harry, Ron and Hermione are Nice People?

Basically? Yes. I never knew nice was a hereditary trait, but apparently, it is!

it makes perfect sense for James and Rose to behave as they do, that is, entitled, selfish because of their entitlement, and resentful of those Not Like Them (much as Ron and Ginny are in canon).

ilu. Also: *sigh*

Hee, I like that name, but it is pretty crazy.
The girl with the thorn in her side: Nokoru = Put on your thinking cap!search_soleil on August 14th, 2007 09:42 pm (UTC)
I really like your characterizations in RLT. I could count myself as a little "disturbed" by James' behavior, but mostly because I am an only child who is used to reading fiction where sibling relationships are warm and fuzzy. You're showing me something different. I'm a little shocked, but I honestly appreciate that you are going with something that is real to you. It gives the story an emotional depth that rings true.

What I don't like is the AS/S fandom's tendency, on the whole, to demonize James. I didn't like it when the H/D fanon went through phases demonizing Ron and Ginny, and I don't like that there seems to be a similar trend developing here. You are doing a good thing. You're choosing to represent James as a jerk, but you are slowly backing up that characterization with a solid background story and realistic character motivation and all of the pretty stuff. I just don't want people running off saying, "Personal canon!" and not bothering to come up with their own characters. I don't want meanie!James to become a fanon convention. Part of the reason I'm so interested in TNG is because it's so open. It should stay that way. :/ *gets down from soap box*

Now. When's the next chapter of RLT coming out? :DDDD?
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:46 pm (UTC)
Those relationships you read about are 90% inaccurate. With every new child in a family the antagonism increases by a factor of ten. I think you're damn lucky to be an only child and I wish I still was. Not everyone is this hardline about it, but no one has the warm fuzzy relationship we'd like.

Meanie!James is already a fandom cliche. Our job is to circumvent or overpower cliches. It's good practice. I agree with your point, but mine is that I am trying to make the characterisation seem realistic (as you said).

Right now? @D
she's not a girl who misses much: red telephonemaudlinrose on August 14th, 2007 09:51 pm (UTC)
I'm loving this series so much, and a lot of that is that the kids are kids - I was exactly like James when I was a child/teenager: I had a much younger brother who I bullied incessantly, and he just sort of accepted it for the most part as his lot in life (eventually he did start fighting back) until I grew up enough to stop. And I really don't see anything out of the ordinary in the way James treats Albus - it's bullying, not torture. Same with Rose.

So, I don't know. It sucks that people aren't being cool.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:47 pm (UTC)
WORD.

It's people's issues coming out at me, I think. I ... could just do without it, that's all.
Racey Laceyklasie on August 14th, 2007 09:53 pm (UTC)
It's sad you're catching crap for James and Rose. I may not like the characters as people (or you know, whatever), but that doesn't mean they're not good characters and well-written. Not to mention, they can't be OOC because, well, of course there's no established canon. That's what I love about all this TNG stuff. EVERYTHING is in characer.

Plus, people are never carbon copies of their family. I think if I ever started exhibiting my parents' nuerotic tendencies, I'd shoot myself. And my sister has a tendency to be cruel as a defense mechanism, and I certainly don't.

Maybe that's why I understand where both Albus and James are coming from. But they shouldn't be held to Harry and Ginny's canon personalities. That's not who they are.




I think that whole ramble was a little off topic from where I was going with it. Oh well. The mind works in mysterious ways.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 15th, 2007 09:50 pm (UTC)
But they shouldn't be held to Harry and Ginny's canon personalities.

I know that and you know that, but some people ... don't. Woe for them, I guess.