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09 January 2009 @ 01:01 pm
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I have no idea if people are annoyed by the Book Glomp thing, because it's a pretty random selection of books that few people have also read. (Also, the name is awful, isn't it? Glomp is a term from FictionAlley, I think, where they tried to make fetch happen. It didn't happen.) I shall continue with it because, hi, it's my journal! However, after two years of owning a permanent account I have discovered the poll function! I intend to make the fullest use of said poll function! I'm slightly worried about my recent over-use of exclamation marks! Send help!

Poll #1328020 Calling all Austenites

Which book is your fave?

Sense and Sensibility
5(7.0%)
Pride and Prejudice
42(59.2%)
Mansfield Park
4(5.6%)
Northanger Abbey
6(8.5%)
Persuasion
14(19.7%)


If you haven't at least read one of these, what rock have you been living under? I'd be most interested to hear from the Mark Twains in the audience - the concept of disliking Austen is alien to me, but I quite like aliens, particularly if they're green and squishy - and anyone who likes Northanger best, because WHY?

My favourite is, far and away, Mansfield Park - despite the lead character's unfortunate name. I support the idea of virtue bringing more rewards than, you know, more virtue. And I'm the opposite of Harry Potter - I have a 'want to be saved' thing, although my entire life has consisted of saving myself. That's the attractive element of Cinderella stories, at least to me - that despite all the shit that goes down, you know that in the end she gets the prince and the silver spoons and life in a palace. I'm sure not everyone will agree with this, uh, impromptu dissection of the story. So, contradict me! (Ugh, there's another one.)
 
 
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Merit: Merlin Merlinmeritjubet on January 9th, 2009 01:37 pm (UTC)
*coughs* Emma?
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: Bookishscoradh on January 9th, 2009 09:57 pm (UTC)
LOL I'M SO STUPID!! Can I edit polls?
Vaysh Swiftstorm: Draco_dovevaysh on January 9th, 2009 01:46 pm (UTC)
*coughs*
The Marble Faun

Edited at 2009-01-09 01:48 pm (UTC)
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: frangipaniscoradh on January 9th, 2009 09:57 pm (UTC)
Is that a finished novel? I didn't include Sanditon etc because they're not. And Emma because I'm STUPID.
(no subject) - vaysh on January 9th, 2009 10:10 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - scoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:22 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Loyaulte Me Lie: dapper danshocolate on January 9th, 2009 01:52 pm (UTC)
*hates P&P, doesn't really care about the others*

Seriously - how can she marry him after that first proposal??

How can she not throw that in his face, FOR EVAH, no matter what they are arguing about?

Oh, YOU don't think we need a new fish chef, this late in the season? YOU, whose sense of my inferiority -- of its being a degradation -- meant you married me against your better judgement!
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: bands PATD Bden's delirah facescoradh on January 9th, 2009 09:59 pm (UTC)
Everyone in every relationship brings up old fights in an argument. Lizzie is just ahead of the game on that one.
cleodoxacleodoxa on January 9th, 2009 01:57 pm (UTC)


I am pleased you like Mansfield Park, because no one else does, being obsessed with feisty girls, and trying to spot them where they aren't. Emma is my real favourite, which you didn't have up. I think I like these two best because there's not so much pressure to like the heroine. Everyone's favourite is Elizabeth, but for me she always seems a bit too constructed to be clever and funny, a girl's girl ect.


So with Emma, the character is annoying enough that the plot isn't used to try and make you like her, but she's not so annoying she put me off it. Mansfield Park is my second favourite because you can't beat Cinderella for a romantic plot, and it's not something Austen really does in her other books. Fanny's background is much grubbier than the genteel poverty of any of her other characters, and for all people say they can't identify with her these days, it's much more likely they'd be a bit beaten-down like her in similar circumstances than some spirited witty heroine with flaring nostrils. And the trend for nice characters being something to aspire to has definitely gone out of the window. In chick lit the characters start out "too nice for their own good" but soon learn to stand up for themselves and be as mean as everyone else.



I really enjoy your book reviews, by the way. I love it when people have strong opinions about books.


every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Skins: Cassiescoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:03 pm (UTC)
Let me reiterate: ME, STUPID; YOU JANE. I don't know how I forgot Emma. Oh yes, I do - stupid!

Moving on: that's an interesting take on it, and one I hadn't considered. People like Maria and Miss Crawford were well able to look after themselves. So am I, but in this case I don't think it's so much about identifying with characters as it is having a character to cheer on. And god knows Fanny needed some cheering on.

Lizzie is very much the girl people aspire to be, whereas Fanny's a bit more realistic. She is timid and shy and has low self-esteem, yet she held fast to her principles re: Henry against some very strong opposition. She's got strength of character, if nothing else. And the bit with the horses always makes me want to cry, and give her a cookie: she's just so very forebearing. I want to be more like her. A better person. Good lord, this is like an ode in a romcom.

And I can't help having strong opinions on books, so it's a good thing they're tolerated!

Edited at 2009-01-09 10:04 pm (UTC)
pale pubescent beast: books fond/skellorgwildestranger on January 9th, 2009 02:00 pm (UTC)
I like Northanger Abbey best because it's a satire and that's just how I roll. *g* And Henry Tilney was really hot in the film. ;)
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: pre-raphelitescoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:05 pm (UTC)
Fair enough, dude! And which film version are you referring to? Because Colin Firth's brother isn't actually hot at all, imo.
(no subject) - wildestranger on January 9th, 2009 10:06 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Riakessie on January 9th, 2009 02:23 pm (UTC)
I like your book entries, so I hope you keep on doing them. My favourite is Sense and Sensibility, mostly because it was the first one I read way back when. I spent the day before I started my first job reading it, just sitting in an armchair with the book for several hours, so I also associate it with my last day of proper lazy childhood. The Emma Thompson film is one of my comfort films, too.

I like all of her novels, but which one I reread depends on my mood.

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every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Bands PATD: bden and spence squintyscoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:07 pm (UTC)
I simply ADORE the Emma Thompson film! 'What is swabbing, precisely?' 'With a narrow staircase and a chimney that smokes, I suppose.' 'Lucy will marry Edmund, and we will go home.' ILU EMMA. When I found out she wrote that script my respect for her rocketed. AND she got to marry Willoughby. Score.

I usually start out with Mansfield and then end up re-reading all of them.
trichinopoly ash: art: do epic shitaldehyde on January 9th, 2009 02:54 pm (UTC)
well, it'll always be p&p over anything else, although s&s comes close..
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Eddie Izzard: herbsscoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:07 pm (UTC)
A Lizzie fan or a Darcy fan? (Me, I love Mr Bennet. :D)
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every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: maskscoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:08 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I don't know how I forgot to put Emma up! And it completely skews my data, woe. D:
Pre-Op Cyborgagiel on January 9th, 2009 03:01 pm (UTC)
I hate Mansfield Park because I hate Fanny and I *hate* Edmund. Fanny is an insufferable prig and Edmund is even worse, as he doesn't even stay true to his convictions throughout.

P&P, on the other hand, has captured my heart because Elizabeth is such a fantastic character. And for dialog alone, P&P is the obvious choice.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: white dressscoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:10 pm (UTC)
I look at it that Edmund didn't stay true to one woman throughout, and changed his mind because he realised he only loved an idea of her rather than she herself. To me that's different (and more palatable) than a sway in conviction.

Could you explain to me what you mean by calling Fanny a prig? I mean, it's bandied about a lot, but I always though prigs were stuck up, snobby, self-satisfied and smug people (plus other things beginning with S!) and Fanny is palpably none of those.

I think I've been over-exposed to p&p so, while I like it a lot, it's far from my favourite.
tell me your heart doesn't race for a hurricanejocondite on January 9th, 2009 03:04 pm (UTC)
I can't even lie, Pride and Prejudice is my favourite. Persuasion is probably next, though; it really fascinates me, as her last completed novel, how different in tone to the other novels it is, and how it feels like a bridge between Regency and Victorian fiction.

(I am terribly fond of her 'Love and Freindship' (misspelling intended), because for a teenager's novella, it is a totally hilarious piece of broad satire and also everyone swoons every second line! SWOONING IS AWESOME).
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: bands PATD Joncer prettiscoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:14 pm (UTC)
Aha, this is where my ignorance comes in! I don't know what constitutes a Regency versus a Victorian novel, and what about Persuasion makes it different to the others. To me, it's that there's not one sympathetic character Anne can lean on, while Lizzie has Jane, Elinor has Marianne (sorta), Fanny has Edmund etc, which makes it come across to me as a colder and harsher story.

Have you seen the film version of Mansfield? Fanny's character is an amalgam of book!Fanny and Jane herself, and as a child she writes stories with lines like 'run mad as often as you like, but do not faint.' I wonder is that from Love and Freindship? Sadly I have not read any outside the ones I listed in the poll, and Emma, which I didn't, because I have a fatal case of stupid.
Geoviki: Miyavi lovely handsgeoviki on January 9th, 2009 03:19 pm (UTC)
I, um, read them all back-to-back about 15 years ago and I can't remember which one is which, except for Pride and Prejudice. I did like reading all of them, though. OTOH, Mark Twain is one of my favorite authors.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Disney: Little Mermaid pink dress of winscoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:15 pm (UTC)
You know he said once that if a library had nothing in it, it was a good library as long as there were no copies of Austen's books? Or something like that. I must admit it's prejudiced me against him, to the point where I've never sought out his books.
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every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: orange fairyscoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:16 pm (UTC)
I think it's such a shame that the earlier film version left out Miss Steele - she was one of the most amusing people in it.

Oh, I intend to! But it's good to hear that it's not majorly troubling anyone. :D
like a disco: homakiravyn_ashling on January 9th, 2009 03:54 pm (UTC)
It's Emma, though, really. ^^
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: In ur bedscoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:17 pm (UTC)
Look, I've decided I left Emma out for a reason (besides my own stupidity! besides that!), so it doesn't count. :P
moocowmisconstrue on January 9th, 2009 04:32 pm (UTC)
S&S, although I may be a bit biased by that brilliant movie adaptation with Emma Watson, for the same reason I like Mansfield a bit more thanks to the 1999 movie I watched yesterday. I found P&P a little too dull and was never really fond of Darcy, to be honest. Unfortunately for poor Fanny I really wanted her to die or something because she was just...too...good. I'm not saying we should all be Mariahs and Miss Crawfords but...a little human fragility wouldn't kill 'er (I think). I liked how in S&S everyone had flaws and while I find the ending a little too patronizing (poor Marianne!) it was all sorts of wonderfully snide and, well, Austen.

and I like the Book Glomp. I don't comment often, because I haven't read, usually, and that sort of eliminates any intelligent commentary I can add, but I do appreciate seeing them so don't worry about feeling spammy or w/e. You cut and label well so if I'm not interested, I just scroll right on past. :)
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: Balloonsscoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:21 pm (UTC)
Personally? I think Fanny was excessively frail - pretty much hyperchondriacal - and the fact that her big flaw is the one most people find excessively annoying in others is the reason she's disliked. Because that is a flaw, and I think she is human and downtrodden - it's just people don't like to see that. Um?

Yeah, that was so like: LEARNED YOUR LESSON, MARIANNE? HA! HAVE AN OLD MAN AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE. But in fairness, what else was she going to do? Although I always thought Elinor and the Colonel were better suited.

Yeah, I was hoping the entries looked short enough not to annoy people who weren't interested. :D

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(no subject) - misconstrue on January 9th, 2009 11:26 pm (UTC) (Expand)
murklins: readingmurklins on January 9th, 2009 04:48 pm (UTC)
I like many of those listed, but I only own P&P (being a devout library user, I own maybe 20 books) so I roll around in it the most on sad days. It makes me laugh and laugh.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: bands PATD Ryan just Ryanscoradh on January 9th, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC)
Ugh, but doesn't it kill you having to give them BACK? Also, I'm reading an 800 page Trollope from the library right now and the pressure to finish it in two weeks is massive.

Actually, I find Mansfield makes me laugh more - maybe because I've had the p&p vids since I was nine and I know it off by heart.
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