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18 April 2009 @ 05:45 pm
that's enough raspberry tart for me, thanks  
Last night I went to pick my brother up from a twenty-first in the village (he's only fifteen - what a social life! - so he had to come home at twelve, poor Cinderella). I passed three people on the road in high viz jackets, one of them a child. They were at the twenty-first and walked home because the mom can't drive and the dad was drunk. In high viz jackets. At midnight. Only in Ireland!

I was thinking; I do this sometimes. Someone mentioned that bandom has a peculiar problem - the subjects of the fic reading the fic. So I was wondering: how would you feel if a bandom peep read your fic? Or saw your art or browsed your journal squee?

I'm trying to anticipate my own reaction. I think it's a highly unlikely scenario, as only Cobra (read: Gabe) has ever been proven to do it, and then only twice that I've heard. Sure, Pete knows what slash is, but Pete knows about a lot of internetty things because he is an internet ho. Plus, I'm pretty sure he thinks he is Harry Potter to some extent, so I'd be less than surprised if he turned out to have some connection to the HP fandom. In general, I think bandom boys steer clear - Panic in particular, who I sometimes think feel they are above minor things like fans and fanbases. (I put this down to too much success too early, personally.)

Granted, there are always the douches that bring fandom to them, but that's hardly a phenomena limited to bandom. It's been happening as far back as LoTRips. The most famous fanficcer of all (as was) even did it. I'll bet anyone half a dollar that back in the origin of shipping fandom - reputedly the X Files fandom is where the term 'ship' came from - people came up to David Duchovney and the chick who played Sculley and showed them their OTP fluff. From typewriters, or whatever they had back then. Uh. Basically what I'm saying is, the bands are aware of bandom. Are people like George Clooney, Shia LeBoeuf and Adam Brody aware that people write fic about them? Probably not. Yet.

So. Your reaction, if a proven band member commented on your fic, would be [.....]? For me, it would depend on what they said. If it was an all-out condemnation of what I'm doing, I would not be too impressed. (I like to think I'd stop writing bandfic if any band were really leery about it, but Ray Toro's spoken up against it and that hasn't changed things for anyone. Then again, what percentage of people ship Ray Toro - with anyone? Less than 0.1%?) In the end, though, I do kind of think they have a right to see it if they want to. We can read Pete's blog - and William's and Travis' and Alex Mark 300's. We can spy on their twitters, which to be fair are pretty personal. We can stalk them through buzznet and myspace. Some of us make them hold up signs at aeroports. It's a two way street. We're just lucky more of them don't take advantage of it.
 
 
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pale pubescent beastwildestranger on April 18th, 2009 05:08 pm (UTC)
As long as it's out there for everybody to see, they are as entitled as everyone else to read it. There is a difference, though, in a bandperson reading fic because they looked for it, and reading it because someone brought it to their attention. Also, it's one thing for someone to read my fic and quite another for them to tell me about it. I really don't want to know if they do, and I don't think they should tell me - it's not written for them, they are not the intended audience and although the characters are based on their public actions there is still a whole cultural context of slash fandom that they might not get - what you don't tend to get if you're outside, even if well-disposed towards it.

So yes, they're entitled to read, as everyone is, but I'd rather not know about it.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: ra teapot and coloured cupsscoradh on April 18th, 2009 05:44 pm (UTC)
See, that idea kind of freaks me out MORE. I play in a pretty quiet area of the sandbox (or so I think), where I'm assuming none of my actions come to light in the general fandom. The idea that ... idek, Pete, or whoever, could be silently trolling my journal and reading my fic - regardless of what he thinks of it - makes me ooky! I guess I'd rather they spoke up, or went away, with no middle ground. But I'm like that (hence all that wank two weeks ago D:).
goddessrissgoddessriss on April 18th, 2009 05:27 pm (UTC)
See, this is my problem with Bandom. The pretty IS pretty, but I have trouble getting my head around the fact that they are real people. I can't even read DanRad/Tom fic, it squicks me. Even though the Draco in my head is, occasionally, very like Tom.

Ahem.

Still, whatever makes you happy! Personally I think they should be flattered that people like them enough to ship 'em...and then be quiet about it. Or be quietly flattered. Yeah, that'll do.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: white dressscoradh on April 18th, 2009 05:48 pm (UTC)
I thought that once. I read a RPF about Dan and some dude ... the kid from Stormclouds or whatever the film of that book was called. I was like '... but I don't GET it.' However, I've been in fandom half a decade and I'm not sure how long you have. The longer you stay, the more blase you get about a LOT of things. I've read some really crazy shit in HP fics, so by the time I got to bandom - which is so vanilla it's pathetic, really - I was pretty meh.

Well, I'm pretty sure Gabe is - a little too flattered. ;D But yeah. Hopefully that is the prevailing attitude.
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Lu (Not Your Average Retelling)elucreh on April 18th, 2009 05:39 pm (UTC)
I--well, let me put it this way: I wrote a fic about what I would like to have happen. (J2, not bandom, but still.) What they don't get, because they genuinely aren't hanging with us, is the love inherent in our--admittedly sort of skewed--interest in them. I mean, the sex bits are the least of it. If you get past the part where we think they would be pretty together while naked--if we could get them to see past it--there's all kinds of other love and admiration and affection for them here. If you randomly selected ten bandom fangirls, I bet anything that nine of them would be the world's best babysitter for Bronx or for Lyn's baby, because we are so delighted that they exist, that their fathers found happiness and family. (The tenth, yeah, okay, you would have to hold off with a flamethrower, but MOST OF US just love those kids to pieces.) We worried when Bob was in the hospital with his guacamole thing; I spent two days walking around beaming when Brendon said his mom still loved him. We're genuinely fond of them, even in their jerky moments; we celebrate their achievements and fight their battles and are concerned for them when they're facing challenges.

The sex stuff is the flashiest part, the part that makes them flinch back instinctively, but I really do wish we could coax them to stick around long enough to see how much love we're really offering them. I wish there was some way for Brendon to know how much the Lu/Rachel/Melanie trio want him to find happiness. I wish we could tell Zack, "We worry about them and their common sense so much, we're so glad they have you." I wish we could thank Ginger for giving Ryan a place of refuge when they were children. I wish there was some way for them to know what's behind all our stories and squee and speculation--our very real love.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: halowrites: pink heart biscuitsscoradh on April 18th, 2009 05:54 pm (UTC)
This is interesting to me, because I didn't think I had that level of investment. However, the way I feel about the Ashte little family unit goes waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond benevolent disinterest. I am really rooting for them as a couple and a family and it's not like I get that way for, like, my real friends. Mainly because their SOs suck and I wish they would die in a fire. Plus, none of them entertain me as much as Pete does. So I suppose I have to say that I primarily look on Panic, for example, as a group of pretty boys that is fun to write into relationships. However, this doesn't account for my disappointment when I hear about them doing douchey things ... yeah, I guess I am pretty invested, actually. I hadn't realised it till now.

But leaving the personal element aside, I always thought that bands SHOULD be at least a little honoured for having a fandom. And not just bands, but TV shows and what have you. SPN and SGA, whatever else about them, would not be what they are/were without fandom, I reckon. There's a strong basis of unique affection going on there between fans and the show, a level of attachment that you just don't get for, like, the Wire or Friends.

You're right about what happens when you leave out the sex - it's us writing happy endings each and every time. So yeah. In a way, they're lucky to have us. We wish them so well.

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allyndra: Thinky Thoughtsallyndra on April 18th, 2009 08:49 pm (UTC)

I am always aghast at people who shove their fandom in the artists faces, though. Should I ever meet these bands, I would never even allude to my fannish activities. It just seems so rude. But if they came looking ...

I've tried to imagine how I would react if someone from bandom read my fic, and I'm not sure. I get embarrassed if anyone outside of fandom talks about my stuff, because tehy're coming into it with such a different mindset. What is completely normal to us is deviant to outsiders, and it turns something I take fairly innocent pleasure in - and that I'm occasionally proud of - into something that I'm ashamed of. I hate that. If bandom people looked and criticized, I would just shrivel up with that awful "ashamed of my hobby" feeling. But if they just read it ... I think I'm okay with that.

When I first started writing fic, I remember going, "Oh, Anne McCaffrey doesn't want fic written for her books, so I'll never do that." Now that I've been around a while, though, I find myself caring so much less about what the subjects of fic (authors, actors, band folks) feel about it. As long as they don't rant at me about what a freak I am, I think I could handle these guys reading my fic and squee. Even if, on the inside, they still think I'm a freak.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: halowrites: tiger kittenscoradh on April 18th, 2009 11:28 pm (UTC)
Oh, I agree! Even if you think it's awesome, they probably ... won't. I haven't heard of any bandom people interrupting dates to show off their crazyass fic (hi, LotRips), but - give it time.

I have had only one RL person read my fic. I think I scarred him for life ... but the reason I don't show it to anyone is because of the sex. Idek, I think I'm unqualified to write sex anyway, let alone show the results to people who know the exact state of my love life (ie extinct). If it weren't for that, I'd probably show it around more.

I still respect writers who say 'no fanfic', if only because they can slap you with a C&D. Bands can't really do that, so I'd respect their wishes if they said 'enough gay porn plz.' So I'm kind of hoping they won't...
mrsquizzical: bandom panic spencer zackmrsquizzical on April 18th, 2009 10:32 pm (UTC)
re panic and the fans. i don't think they are too 'above' the fan/fanbases thing. i think that they were really young when they were suddenly confronted with the CRAZIES side of having fans. and they are (understandably) wary.

and they have zack. he probably says 'no' to a lot of things they'd do otherwise.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Fashion: stripey socksscoradh on April 18th, 2009 11:24 pm (UTC)
Well ... however they got there, I don't think they'll ever have the appreciation for their fanbase the way a band who had to work their way up from the dregs would. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - hell, it's every band's dream to shoot up that way, and also, I'd get sick of fans too - not just the crazies, but all of them. So, like, I'm not judging them for their attitude, I'm just noting that it comes across to me as such.

hahaha Zach. 'what am I new'. I've been saying that all evening.
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kate_firekate_fire on April 19th, 2009 04:31 am (UTC)
Have you seen Elijah Wood's interview with Graham Norton about his slash Frodo/Sam manips?

Starts here at about 3 minutes in, finishes totally in part 2.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJF5FnGLndA
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: owlsscoradh on April 19th, 2009 07:26 pm (UTC)
Oh god. That was funny, but I'd feel horrified and betrayed if I was one of the people who made those manips. D;
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every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: Japanese bluescoradh on April 19th, 2009 07:14 pm (UTC)
Aw, that's really sweet of them! Though I don't know if would get such a welcome reception if it were a slash pairing, lol (did Xfiles even have those?).
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girl; obsessed: bandom - gorgeous in green spencecomplications_g on April 19th, 2009 06:39 am (UTC)
This is really interesting to think about! I think it's even less likely to happen to someone who doesn't write fic, but.

I don't think I could truly know how I'd react without it happening, for me, I think maybe I'd be excited or something, at first? Like, 'omg [insert bandom person] contacted me!!' and then depending on what they'd said, I'd either be squeeful and embarrassed, or so embarrassed [and ashamed?] I'd run and hide for a while. ;)
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Fashion: angry girl leaningscoradh on April 19th, 2009 07:19 pm (UTC)
I'll admit, I'd probably be a little psyched. None of what I write is PWP, so I feel it can be viewed as a story more than just getting-off material (and don't get me wrong! Getting off material is great, it's probably just a little more awkward in this situation). Gabe and minions who have commented on fic about themselves seem to be positive about it - it's the people themselves that get creeped out by the idea that he's reading it. As one bandflesher said, Accept that bandfic is inherently creepy or gtfo.

So yeah. I wouldn't be too bothered, I don't think.
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real men love discotakkatakkatakka on April 19th, 2009 07:53 am (UTC)
I am sorry but the thing that psyched me most about this post is that you were listening to AMY STUDT. LADDER IN MY TIGHTS no less. I used to WORSHIP Amy Studt. ESPECIALLY that song. wow. awesome. :)

If I ever found out a bandom member read my stories I'd feel very sorry for them, and then go into hiding for a while. Mostly I think it'd be a problem because no matter how good the writing is, if it's with yourself as a character then it's still going to look weird and/or funny and/or lame. So I'd be pretty shamed, partly because I'd be all oh god I'm so sorry and partly because yeah, there's no way I could expect any of them to appreciate it as writing.

However, I do have a very strong theory that Ryan Ross used to write / read Fall Out Boy fanfiction [maybe even just hetfic, if he insists on being straight, but still.] Because come on, he contacted Wentz over livejournal, and everyone knows that livejournal is most famous for it's slash fiction. Even livejournal admin knows that, makes jokes about it. There's no way he could've been a skinny teenage boy with awkward hair wishing he was a rock star and stalking Pete Wentz on the internet without reading it. Or without at least trying it out, when he was curious. Just sayin'. He probably got Brendon into it aswell. They probably rp'd their own Peterick and called it something artsy and ironic like "Dystopian Paradise" and were really upset when it only got like, three comments because Spencer refused to beta.

/tangent.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Fooish Marie Antoinette shoesscoradh on April 19th, 2009 07:24 pm (UTC)
THAT SONG WAS THE ANTHEM OF MY SCHOOLDAYS. Which means that ... oh god, there's been the bones of a decade since it came out. HOW DID I GET SO OLD DDDDDD:

See, I can't imagine anyone writing a story about me, for any reason. So I can't put myself in their shoes. But I do think it would be possible to detach yourself - to see that character as a construct, not you. And it must be interesting to see the breakdown between your actual personality and how you are portrayed.

Hmm, it's possible - I'm sure Pete dabbled in some fandom, somewhere (I bet he was a Harmonian). I can see Ryan as one of those people who looks down on fanfic in general, though. He probably wrote long angsty original fic where everyone died. The thing is, lj is bigger than fandom - although it never seems that way from in fandom. Before facebook and myspace it was a social networking site, so people used it to keep up with RL friends - not necessarily to write fic. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I just don't think Ryan's the type.

OTOH, that would make the most AWESOME fic. :DDD

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Kat: [bandom] gerard rubbing his eyekyasuriin on April 19th, 2009 10:53 pm (UTC)

I'm pretty sure my reaction, no matter what they said, would be mortification. Even if they were like, somehow randomly complimentary, I would still die a little inside.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: winter of discontentscoradh on April 20th, 2009 08:41 pm (UTC)
Yeah, me and complications_g seem to be the only ones who wouldn't react like that! Don't worry, you're in the majority. ;D
Blindmouseblindmouse on April 20th, 2009 03:23 am (UTC)
When did Ray talk about fic?
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: Marie Antoinettescoradh on April 20th, 2009 08:39 pm (UTC)
Oh, UM. Good question. I guess it was about the same time Frankie came out with the 'I don't get it, but it's not aimed at me so I'm not supposed to' line and people sent Mikeyway Waycest? I'm not sure.

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