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09 February 2011 @ 10:24 am
i just came to say goodbye  
This movie made me sick, sick.



I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that this was a movie about clones. No one comes right out and says it, but in a review of the book a few years ago the synopsis came down to 'clones'.

Which brings me to the technically irritating part of the film. I assumed that each clone was a clone of one - say rich, old - person. And that when rich old person got sick, they cherrypicked organs from their clone. Yet what the film goes on to say is that they were cloned from prostitutes and hobos, presumably those felt to have abrogated their right to informed consent or something. THIS MAKES NO SENSE. HLA MATCHING WHUT. You can't just stick any old organ into someone.

Even presuming that the clones were genetically modified to be a perfect match for, what, half a dozen people, organ donation is not the be-all and end-all laypeople think it is. There is a limit to what you can do with it, too, so that emotive shot of a clone with one leg amputated? Or suggesting that organ donation can cure MND? Stretched it a bit.

The most effecient way to harvest organs would be to take them all at once. Three organs from the one person over a period of years is just a waste, and was obviously written so as a blatant tug on heartstrings.

Of course, it's the idea of human clone farms at all that grossed me out, and has left me in the worst mood today. Mainly because, while I would never want it for myself, if it came to my mother versus a clone...

Kathy's character was most annoying. I suppose props go to C.Mull for achieving that? Mainly I wanted to hit her. WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS HORRIBLE DYSTOPIA, JFC. As for Tommy, he wasn't a teddy bear. He was a thinking human ... being/clone, with the ability to make decisions for himself, so dumping on this angst on Ruth because Tommy did the man-thing of taking the convenient option was grossly unfair. Why did no one run away or commit suicide, whyyyyyy?

MOAST UPSET.
 
 
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every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: bandsscoradh on February 28th, 2011 10:00 am (UTC)
Unless they've cleared the backlog of waiting donor recepients, was something I thought of afterwards. BUT STILL.
cleodoxa: swingcleodoxa on February 9th, 2011 04:20 pm (UTC)
I've seen people arguing that people who are put in exploited/downtrodden/victimised positions by society don't fight back because they've had it drummed into them that they don't have rights, also the other side seems more forceful, and that the book/film was therefore accurately portraying the horror of that kind of situation. Which I can kind of see, but there are so many worldbuilding things that don't add up. One of the biggest was the question of where do clones come from, because I'd have thought people would have a certain amount of interest in their own clones, and I wouldn't have thought prostitutes and hobos and other people who could be exploited like the clones themselves would be able to provide that many of them, not least because of health reasons. The thing that annoyed me most, because it was so sappy, was (I've only read the book, but I'd imagine it's in the film) the idea that people would keep coming up with the idea that they would be allowed to at least put off their deaths if they could prove they were madly in love. I don't think I'd come up with it, anyway.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Medieval - seeing someonescoradh on February 28th, 2011 10:05 am (UTC)
I can't believe I didn't reply to this earlier; I have still got so many Thoughts about this movie.

Tbh, I don't know why there was more than one, or possibly two (male and female) clone progenitors. Presumably the genetic manipulation element was conquered, otherwise you couldn't just take organs from a random clone and give them to someone anyway. My idea, that everyone had a clone, makes way more sense medically, but very little in this movie/book does. What you say about hobos, for example - you'd only need one of them, you could clone endless copies, but that's only a finite number of HLA matches for the recepients. AAAHHH IT MAKES MY HEAD HURT.

Again, I could see clone society evolving in the same way slave society did - like, if you put in your time, and surivived, you in turn would get to use clone organs to replace the ones you'd lost. The fact that they were only harvesting one organ at a time suggested that when this 'cure' was found, the backlog of people awaiting transplant was cleared. Clone organs were harvested only on an ad hoc basis. You can live with one kidney, one lung and half your liver - that makes three transplants - so why they were all so keen to die ... idk, idk, it was purposely written to be Tragic by someone who doesn't understand transplant medicine, what can you do.