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08 July 2005 @ 10:47 pm
A thought on "bad" fic. Just the one. Bit of a loner, he is.  

Okay, so first I was mad at "bad" fic writers because it seemed to make no sense, that they were so popular and had so many hits/reviews when they were, well, bad.

It bugged me, and grasshoppered and dungbeetled me until I came up with what, for this incontinent Labrador, is a plausible explanation.

For the record, I'm talking about fics that have a reasonable grasp on grammar and syntax, but have stories that are considered OOC and whatnot.

Right, well, how about this. Fanfic is about fantasies. Writers fantasise about their favourite characters doing stuff. The type of stuff depends on the person, which is why you see them marrying Mary-Sues with floor-length hair AND being manacled and whipped and many other things that I couldn't write without giggling like a loon.

Thing is, with fantasies, is that we don't expect them to come true. I fantasise about all the pretty boy-dentists leaning over the reception desk and saying, "You, me, The Wedding Crashers and a McFleury, how's about it?" And so on unto the end. But in reality I'm quite happy just to chat with them about their exorbitant fees and bolshy patients and the black hole that all their charts disappear into on a regular basis.

Same goes for fics wherein the characters are, not to put too fine a point on it, unrecognisable. However, think about your fantasies for a sec. You hop straight from "No hope in hell" to "Here comes the bride". Or whatever, okay. You don't need a detailed path described for you because you know what you want to happen, even as you know it won't.

Does anyone have a clue what I'm talking about? Anyone? Oh ... running feet ... how odd.

 
 
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every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 9th, 2005 05:12 pm (UTC)
While I don't like supernaturally beautiful beings in any format, I have to agree. Once the writing is okay, I will buy almost anything. xD
i'd kiss you if you weren't so damn ugly: Sweetness.takewing on July 8th, 2005 05:12 pm (UTC)
I think I get it. Bad-fic writers are just trying to make their fantasies come to life in writing, but the thing is that they're using other people's characters in order to do that. They're either not creative enough to write their fantasies out using original characters or they just don't know that they're mutilating characters and making them unrecognisable.

You could say that all slash is bad-fic, really, if you define it like that, especially smut. The writers are mostly straight women trying to create their ultimate fantasy of two guys going at each other in front of them.

But um, yeah. Totally get it. Living out your fantasy to live in the HP universe as a Mary Sue? That's pretty darn appealing to a thirteen year old girl... *thinks of her little sister's fanfiction and cringes*
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 9th, 2005 04:50 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I was under the impression that you you liked slash? I mean, everything you're saying applies to all fanfic writers. And yeah, I would say we're an uncreative lot, but I think that's the point. All humans like lying to themselves, and the biggest lie here is that fanfiction has any real purpose outside enjoyment. Then again, neither does sport.

Ultimate fantasy? No, I don't think so ... all I can think of is James Dreyfus/Elton John ...
i'd kiss you if you weren't so damn ugly: ickle Regulustakewing on July 9th, 2005 05:25 pm (UTC)
Ah, sorry, maybe I wasn't as clear as I wanted to be. I love slash, I enjoy het, and I also like the occasional femmeslash, but that's just what I was trying to say (using slash as an example) - if you define a bad fic as a fic where the writer tries (unconsciously or not)to write out a fantasy of theirs, then all slash is bad fic, and all het is bad fic, and all fanfiction is bad fic.

That was probably the longest sentence ever and I have no idea if it even made sense. Anyway, as far as guy/guy action is concerned, I have a lot of female friends who would agree that it's high on their ultimate fantasy lists. It depends a lot on how hot the guys involved are, though... ;) Elton John... not very hot. 0_o
gabbysun on July 8th, 2005 10:06 pm (UTC)
Nah; people just have bad taste.

That's all there is to it. ;D
one more storytelling monkeyrainspots on July 9th, 2005 04:53 pm (UTC)
Maybe they're right, though. Why ask them to read something that might challenge them in any way?
gabbysun on July 9th, 2005 09:27 pm (UTC)
Badtaste!people: OH NOES THIS WILL CHALLENGE ME TO USE MY TINY TINY BRAIN!? BEGONE, FOUL BEAST! *go watch sitcoms on the television*
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 10th, 2005 12:21 pm (UTC)
Really, though ... would they know words like "begone"? xDDD
gabbysun on July 10th, 2005 12:23 pm (UTC)
Oh dear, that's very true. My bad. :(
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 10th, 2005 12:28 pm (UTC)
Oh, tsk. How could you be so intelligent? It cannot be allowed to continue, nuh-uh!!
Mithmithborien on July 8th, 2005 11:32 pm (UTC)
That's probably true for most people and explains why some OOC fics get some good reviews. Fan fiction is after all created by the fans and would undoubtedly portray things they want to see, whether in character or not.

Personally OOC fics annoy the hell out of me because when I read something I am reading it because it is supposed based on whatever book or movie it came from. I'm reading because I like the characters or the pairing and as soon as they become OOC the fic loses it's appeal. However if a fic reasonably explains why a character is OOC and its a decent, plausible reason then I have no objection. Same for AUs. It's just when a character is OOC for no apparent reason that it bugs me (granted there have been some exceptions but they have been few). Although if we are talking about the HP verse, there are so many characters whose history's and personalities remain largely untouched that authors have great scope for their own take on the different characters.

Of course, authors changing already established characters is still bloody annoying.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 9th, 2005 05:04 pm (UTC)
Of course, authors changing already established characters is still bloody annoying.

I reckon that's inevitable, given that none of us possesses JK's brain. xD Or her money, more's the pity.
Minnowminnow_53 on July 9th, 2005 10:27 am (UTC)
You've started me off. You'll regret this! :(

I often think so-called good fic is far worse than honest badfic. I can't stand some of the pretentious stuff around, especially when writers repeat themselves; not just with characteristic stylistic stuff, but with actual words and phrases. Whenever I see 'oh' in italics in a sex scene I stop reading. (Except in one piece I beta'd where it was necessary to the flow of the scene.)

And I hate high-flown stuff with no point or story that I don't understand to begin with. I like character and incident and point, other than hot sex and nothing else.

I love to read fics with life and humour and spark and a feel for character. Sometimes, those are not quite Tolstoy, but who cares? They're entertaining. If it entertains or diverts or makes you laugh and is honest and open and the author obviously enjoyed writing it, then it can't be all bad. Or not too often anyway.

^_^xx

every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 9th, 2005 05:03 pm (UTC)
But ... isn't "Oh" something people would say in the circs?

I think I agree with everything you say, although sometimes I feel writers get too smug with what they've written. You strike a fine balance between pissing me off with smugness or self-deprecation, with me. xD

I don't even know what I like. People getting too snarky annoys me, because they forget that we have feelings and that every slur, every ignored fic, HURTS, MAN.
Minnowminnow_53 on July 10th, 2005 01:36 am (UTC)
But ... isn't "Oh" something people would say in the circs?

Yes. But in every single one of your fics? Wouldn't you ring the changes from time to time? It's not just the word, which can work fine, but the whole structure/story round it. Sort of lazy, can't be bothered to do anything different cos this always works with the readers. I can't explain without giving examples, and I don't want to be chucked off LJ! :(

People getting too snarky annoys me, because they forget that we have feelings and that every slur, every ignored fic, HURTS, MAN.

Oh, shit, yes. I'm really lucky that every writer on my f-list is amazing, so there's lots of good stuff to comment on. But I hate it when I post something and there's silence. And I know, people get mad at me when I say something like this, and I do get lots of comments, but not always. And if you usually get twenty (excluding answers and conversations!) and then one fic only gets ten, it is still upsetting. Especially when the stories round you on R/S are getting happy comments from people on your f-list and yours is ignored. Yes. Hurts. Especially if you're in a VERY mainstream fandom like R/S.

^_^xx



every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 10th, 2005 12:25 pm (UTC)
I see. Well, I tend to skirt so much around "sex" that I'd never go for a, er, blow-by-blow account anyway. I think people can get too scatalogical and forget how you're supposed to feel when the goddamn stuff is happening. That's why I like kabeyk's porn so much. xD

Don't talk to me, mate! Ten comments excl. convos sounds like heaps to me. I know I tend towards rareships, but all the same, why are people so blinkered and uncourageous? Then you see them going wild over something that's so purple and out-there, just because it's such and such a pairing/situation and I think, what the hell am I doing wrong?

Then again, I'm secure; the five people on my fanfic journal are never going to say bad stuff about me; so why would I pimp and bring flames on mah head? :D