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03 July 2006 @ 10:36 pm
On ships  
I read gunderpants's 'Slag off your OTP' post and this is what inspired my current ruminations.

I really am a ship dilettante. I'd whore myself out to any pairing if it looked like someone interesting would read it. I know that sounds kind of funky, but if I have any ambition in life it is to be all things to all people. It also comes off as unbearably smug -- my writing is okay, occasionally even good, but nothing special -- and certainly not enough to make people fawningly grateful that I've written in their ship. Still, that doesn't stop my interest perking at impassioned manifestos in favour of better Harry/Luna or Remus/Tonks, many of which were to be found in that particular post.

Loyalty has never been a key point of my character. I serve my own interests first and only. I would write a fic for anyone if they really wanted it, but I would always do my damndest to make it as good as possible so that everyone else who read it would be equally appreciative. (That's the plan, anyway.) Plus, I'd twist it to suit myself. E.g. If they asked for a Snape!ship, I'd turn it into something else.

Also, I'd always rather write an interesting story than a canonically correct one. I write H/D more than anything else, but I hardly know anything about them -- I totally forgot the Sectumsempra spell, for example. I just don't speculate. I often wonder why on earth I'm in fandom. I'm rather incurious as a rule; comes from being so self-absorbed, I suppose. 

Silly, really. It's not like I have a choice in the way I write. I've managed to clean up the grammar and stylistic errors to a greater or lesser extent, but I read about people asking for 'twisted', 'bitter', and 'dysfunctional' fics (especially re: Remus/Tonks) and realised I just couldn't write twisted, bitter or dysfunctional. Not without also making it humorous, gentle and romantic. 

Plus, they were all adamant that they did NOT want multi-coloured werewolf babies, which frankly cuts off my fic ideas root and branch. Woe. Multi-coloured woe.
 
 
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moocow: [firefly] too prettymisconstrue on July 3rd, 2006 10:12 pm (UTC)
I understand completely where you're coming from. It's not the ship so much as the characters and writing. I am more inclined to read about characters I like/know something about, but I'm still a plot summary whore. If it sounds intriguing, you could get me to read Flich-Madame Maxine, and that squicks me just to think about. When writing though, I do try to be canonically correct and let me tell you, that hurts your brain so much when you're asked to write cross-gen.

Multi-colored werebabies sounds like fun. :( Of course, that would also depend on the author. You're up to snuff though: go for it!
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Pandas can't talk!scoradh on July 3rd, 2006 10:16 pm (UTC)
I guess that comes back to the issue of trust -- if sarahtales was writing Flich/Maxine, then I wouldn't pause for a moment. If it was Joe Bloggs, I'd probably not even click on the link. Meh.

Me, I find out something's not canonical so I go back and do backflips getting the story to fit around the canon. I try not to discount it, but in the end the story would come first ...

I do believe I shall! After all, they don't have to be Remus', do they?
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Nicole: zombie dayterkey on July 3rd, 2006 10:13 pm (UTC)
my writing is okay, occasionally even good, but nothing special

Shut. Up.

The person who gave fandom both May Contain Nuts and Princes of Maine is not allowed to call herself "okay" or "occasionally good." Let me reiterate, I would read SNARRY if you wrote it. If you knew me at all, you would know exactly what that implies about you and your writing skills.

Oh, and what could really use your deft touch is Harry/Bill and Harry/Tonks.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Rolfscoradh on July 3rd, 2006 10:19 pm (UTC)
I'm so going to put up that one-page Snarry I once belched up and force you to read it. Talk about eating your sword. (See: Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, yes?)

Harry/Bill, certainly. Ever read "Just Add Water", by cybele? Delicious. Harry/Tonks -- nada. Couldn't possibly write an older!woman story. It squicks me! (I know, I'm so lame.)
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one minute movie reviewsoneminutemovies on July 3rd, 2006 10:42 pm (UTC)
Nothing special, pfft. I'm always fawningly grateful when you write.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Armscoradh on July 3rd, 2006 10:44 pm (UTC)
Oh, thank you! But I must now TYPE IN CAPS TO EMPHASISE THE FACT THAT I AM DROWNING OUT YOUR MINOR ABERRATION ARGUMENT. LOVINGLY.
Caitcoralia13 on July 3rd, 2006 11:02 pm (UTC)
Interesting to hear you thinking about writing R/T! It's so... not gay for you. ;)

I think it's also interesting that you feel comfortable changing your ship loyalty (or, perhaps, that you have no ship loyalty). I guess it's possible to write any ship (if you feel comfortable turning a blind eye to canon), but for me, I get squicked too easily, or too invested in the characters, to allow me to stray too far from what the Creator (whoever he or she may be) put on the page/screen.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: boykissscoradh on July 4th, 2006 07:08 pm (UTC)
I know! But think of the multi-coloured puppies.

I guess that defines the difference between those who don't get 'into' or are peripherally involved in fandoms, and those who are. It's not so much that I disagree with what JK put on to the page so much as I wish I could see more. Even if it were written from several different viewpoints, I'd still wish for a more 3D version of the Potterverse that no author could provide. I want to live in it and the fandom is as close as I can get.

The slash is just the cherry on the cake. ♥
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jehnt: hp - luna lovegoodjehnt on July 3rd, 2006 11:09 pm (UTC)
I'd whore myself out to any pairing if it looked like someone interesting would read it.

Say, does this mean there's scoradhish RON/DRACO fic in my future? *bats eyelashes*

my writing is okay, occasionally even good, but nothing special -- and certainly not enough to make people fawningly grateful that I've written in their ship

How do I make this clear? *IS FAWNINGLY GRATEFUL, BUT KEEPS IT UNDER WRAPS TO NOT SCARE YOU AWAY* However, since it needs to be said: I fangirl you SO hard. You're one of my absolute favorite writers in fandom. Period.

So maybe you don't have mass appeal. Your writing is intelligent and witty and sensitive, and the masses tend not to understand or appreciate that. Your fic is ... indiefic. Liked and appreciated by the critics and discerning consumers everywhere, while not understood by the fratboys of fandom. YOU ARE THE WOLF PARADE TO CASSIE CLAIR'S BLACKEYED PEAS. Or something. Maybe one day you will have a breakthrough-to-the-mainstream fic. It will probably have lots of veela!Draco angsting about how his mate (in the life-partner sense) Harry refuses to accept the inevitability of their One True Love. Also, Ginny will be violently dismembered on page five, in a scene that has little to no significance to the plot.

I'd always rather write an interesting story than a canonically correct one.

For those of us investing our time in reading, I thank you. Interesting story = doubleplus good.

And really, I've been thinking this when I've read your last few posts, but if you like Stargate Atlantis at all, you really might do better in that fandom than in HP. Not only is it the fandom of feedback explosion, but there also seems to be a widespread appreciation of intelligent fic. Plus I would be fawningly grateful if you wrote an SGA fic. And the fandom is Much With The Humor, to the point where I can think of only a handful of angsty fics. *is not at all trying to lure you to the dark side another fandom, oh no*

And seriously? I think the world NEEDS multi-coloured werewolf babies.



At least if they look like that.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Waffle Ironscoradh on July 4th, 2006 07:23 pm (UTC)
[thoughtful] I wrote about 5000 words of a Ron/Draco once, but over-reached myself with a ridiculously grandiose plot. Everytime I try to write in chapters I end up shooting myself in the foot. If you want me to email it to you or something I'd be quite happy to.

I do like the thought of being indiefic, although possibly the metaphor would become more profound if I knew who the Wolf Parade were. (Pretend you didn't just read that.)

And, without further ado: Rachel's experiences with SGA.

I have seen a grand total of one episode. A black (okay, I don't think she's black, but she's not Caucasian anyway and I won't continue for fear of being thought racist) woman wakes up from a dream with these really fake, un-scary looking monsters. Again and again and again. Then there was some incomprehensible dialogue, possibly because it was smack-bang in the middle of a series, and I gave up.

SGA is not available on Irish network TV -- I saw that in Australia.

SGA costs a hundred euro per boxset and, from what I saw in HMV, there are about six of those.

I would be amenable to having it as a fandom of mine, especially given that my best friend rhapsodies over Stargate (the originals). However, it would require buying the DVDs (which would take some time, even for a spoilt kid like me), or dl them (which would have to wait until I return to the land of the broadbanders, in September -- if they're even available so).

Phew.

I bags the blue one. ♥
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every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Lunascoradh on July 4th, 2006 11:05 pm (UTC)
I quite like the (unintentional?) correlation between intellislashers and disturbed people. I mean, setting out to be all high-falutin and pretentious ... there are not words to describe how off that is. Fine if it just comes out that way, but there's no need to become the Neil Gaiman of fandom ... (me, I want to be BRIGID JONES).

Yes, I tend to write out that scar because of the handy 'magic it away, yay!', get out of jail free card. And also because I forgot.

If Draco gets pain, it should be from Harry's riding crop. I'm just saying.

I just had to watch overtime of Germany V Italy before Prison Break. It was disgusting. I'm never questioning my allegiance to fandom again! (or at least until tomorrow)
Langelinodingleberry1003 on July 4th, 2006 01:47 am (UTC)
i'm an h/d shipper as a rule, but may contain nuts shot up into my top ten favorite fics of all time list. In fact i now find myself actively searching for harry/george (glares for getting sucked into a rarepair for which not that much stuff is written). oh, and i love your other fic too, heck, even read princes of main and i NEVER like ron/harry. so, whatever you think about yourself or your writing or however much you ignore canon, pleeease just keep on doin it! hahaha, me and a whole host of people will be very happy.

*slinks back into creepy stalker shadows* :)
Langelinodingleberry1003 on July 4th, 2006 01:48 am (UTC)
maine*

:)
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