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19 July 2009 @ 09:40 pm
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I meant to make a big fancy-ass post detailing my Thoughts on seasons 1-4 of Buffy and the last few eps of Gossip Girl, which I finally got around to seeing. (You might think, from reading this, that my life is massively busy and intense. You would be wrong.) In fact, my Thoughts can be quite easily distilled into a few points. Thoughtlettes, if you will.

Angel and his emopain need to DIAF. The only time he was interesting was during that "Dude, Where's My Soul?" plot cycle. I don't like his backstory, either, especially compared to Spike's. WHY IS RANDOMLY IRISH?
I find it deeply, deeply difficult to become invested in Buffy's relationships. Riley is soooooo booooooring, in fact I died of boredom just typing his name.
Anya and Spike are the BEST characters.
My favourite finale so far was season three's. Whoosh! Gowns and mortars off, daggers out!
Late nineties, yes, but the couching of Tara and Willow's relationships in coy Victoriana terms pissed me off mightily.

Gossip Girl
What, you wanted coherence?
There you go.

17 Again
They should have just made a montage of Zefron's pecs and saved us all the trouble of sitting through the hot mess that was the actual film. What girl ever swoons at the idea of a SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD GUY rhapsodising over babies? There are probably more LotR-style nerds than 'normal' people nowadays, so I doubt Headmistress Lady needed to cast her net so wide. Also, shouldn't it be Elvish, not Elf?

I think I would have liked it better if he dumped his pregnant gf and got to know her again after an equally unfulfilling life. Or if Chandler Bing stayed Zac Efron. I know I'd take that option if I were Chandler Bing.

Anyone want to burble with/at me? Without spoiling the other seasons of Buffy, please!
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bitchplzscenesalsa on July 19th, 2009 11:13 pm (UTC)
...Wow, you'd never seen BtVS before? I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE FINALLY ON BOARD WITH THAT.
I'd have a natter with you about it, but I don't remember what happened when and don't want to spoil anything for you, plus I haven't seen it in ages. I feel like watching it now. I don't think they play it on tv anymore though. That makes me sadface, it's still one of my favorite tv shows.

I've yet to watch any Gossip Girl. I thought it was a...what's the name of that show Spencer & Heidi are on? Laguna Beach! Yeah, I thought it was a Laguna Beach type of show, so I had no wish to, but everywhere I go, I keep hearing about this Chuck guy, and now I'm curious.

Also haven't seen 17 Again, and unlike Gossip Girl, have no intentions to do so ever. Well...I could probably be persuaded to do so if I got high ahead of time, because Zefron is kind of pretty, but I'd really rather not.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: socksscoradh on July 20th, 2009 11:22 am (UTC)
I don't watch much TV! I much prefer mainlining DVDs, which are hard to come by. *sobs*

I have seen Laguna Beach and no, they're nothing alike! It's like a slicker, funnier version of the OC. I appreciate that it concentrates on kickass clothes and relationships, because I am shallow and these things are my main interests. :D

He is really pretty in this, because he got rid of the dreadful Ryan Rosseseque bowl cut for it. But it was awful, and I speak as a connoisseur of bad teen films.
allyndra: Deep Thoughts Xanderallyndra on July 19th, 2009 11:26 pm (UTC)
The clothes in the early seasons of BtVS kill me. Her skirts in high school, OMG so short! The season 3 finale rocked hard. I love the mayor's "Well, gosh!" It still makes me laugh.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: anumberonme true lovescoradh on July 20th, 2009 11:18 am (UTC)
The SHOES, my dear! Those clumpy platformy things, what. Thank god for the wholesale pump revolution, that's all I say. D:

I liked when he ate Snyder. :D
Blindmouseblindmouse on July 20th, 2009 03:11 am (UTC)
Riley is pretty much soporific on legs. I remember watching I Capture the Castle and enjoying it a whole lot, and being desperately curious about where I knew one of the actors from, convinced it must be somewhere great because he was awesome - and then working out it was Riley and promptly losing all interest in the character.

But Season 3 finale is awesome \o/ And Season 4 has 'Hush', so, you know - after the first three seasons I take my Buffy awesome where I can get it ;)
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: hot air of balloonsscoradh on July 20th, 2009 11:17 am (UTC)
I don't know why they keep miscasting on this show. D: Parker and Ben are way hotter while still keeping the American boy mold, without going down the brick shithouse on legs route.

Is Hush the one with the creepy floating guys and their minions in straitjackets? Because that was AWESOME. Most genuinely frightening ep ever.

I don't know how far you guys got into season five, but I'll just say: SPIKE. SPIIIIIIIIIIKE.
Blindmouse: Isumi hot asblindmouse on July 20th, 2009 11:26 am (UTC)
Hush is definitely the one with the creepy floaty Gentlemen! Isn't it fantastic?

Season 5 is actually the first season I saw - I started watching Buffy when S5 was airing on TV, and can I just say, Anya is a really confusing character when you don't know the vengeance demon bit ;) (Helen and Mik only got to the end of S3 this last week, though.)
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: collapsingnight bedscoradh on July 20th, 2009 05:02 pm (UTC)
YES! The screaming without sound! For once the evil wasn't phoned in, it was GREAT.

I saw bits of SOME season on TV - I remember Dawn, and I remember a wedding, but the actors don't look quite as polished in S5 as I recall - so it's probably a later one.

Anya is a really confusing character when you don't know the vengeance demon bit

lol! She does mention it once in S5? I just love her lines. 'Thank you for shopping! Please leave!' 'We're going to light candles and have sex in front of them!'
tell me your heart doesn't race for a hurricanejocondite on July 20th, 2009 10:05 am (UTC)
Also, shouldn't it be Elvish, not Elf?

I got REALLY ANNOYED by that when I saw it in the theatre! And then I had to take a moment and tell myself not to be quite so geekish. THE LANGUAGE SHOULD NOT BE REFERRED TO AS ELF, EVER.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Disney: Bellescoradh on July 20th, 2009 11:15 am (UTC)
I wasn't entirely sure, you see, because I thought they might be talking about some D&D language that actually is Elf. But god, a little research, guys?! DDDD:
girl; obsessed: bandom - fob dorkscomplications_g on July 20th, 2009 10:15 am (UTC)
SO. MUCH. YES. re:Buffy. Season four is nearly ruined for me by Riley, I just really hate him. And Angel's Irish accent is lolarious.

I could never get into Gossip Girl, probably because I read the books and the show was just so different.

I kind of want to see it. /o\
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: singingscoradh on July 20th, 2009 11:13 am (UTC)
He is just so DULL. I've got to the part in season five where he leaves and I cheered. I don't know why the scriptwriters didn't make Buffy cheer too. D:

Apparently the books are much less kind than the show? Which is why I don't want to read them, because I love this Chuck so (too!) much. ♥

I always advise people NOT to take my word for things I hate. Plus, there are Zefron pecs! A lot of them!
dreamerneva on July 20th, 2009 01:52 pm (UTC)
Book!Chuck is a hot mess with a monkey in his shoulder. Literally. I read a few of the GG books--out of sequence, to be fair--and was pretty much appalled. I'm really glad I watched the show first because it's a masterpiece of television and all things "teen" genre, whereas the books are an uninteresting disaster. In my opinion.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: weddingscoradh on July 20th, 2009 10:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I heard the books made him more 'mess' than 'hot' and didn't like the sound of it. I like my Chuck Bass in purple jeans, a yellow blazer and a knowing scowl. Although I would be totally down with him and Blair adopting a monkey in lieu of children.
girl; obsessed: bandom - patrick is stripey!complications_g on July 20th, 2009 11:34 pm (UTC)
I was so happy that episode, I was cheering her on to miss the helicopter!

Most definitely. Chuck is a real asshole with no redeeming qualities in the books, but I hear he's pretty popular in the show. :\

Ahaha, I can't say I care too much about Zac Efron, or his pecs really. ;) I just think it sounds kind of lolarious and ridic. Also, Matthew Perry!
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every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: Twins playing keyboardscoradh on July 20th, 2009 10:04 pm (UTC)
BUT THAT'S JUST IT. They go around in miniskirts in daytime and then big ol' coats for night patrol! The last ep I watched, Buffy was wearing a FUR-TRIMMED ANORAK. Sense, show no has it. D:
daybreaqdaybreaq on July 21st, 2009 12:55 am (UTC)
Well, actually, California weather can be like that: warm in the daytime and downright freezing at night. I was in LA last March and got caught in one of those really windy, chilly nights with just a light jacket because it was perfectly warm, comfortable in short sleeves that day.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: owlsscoradh on July 22nd, 2009 05:35 pm (UTC)
I was just so puzzled that Buffy wore a turtleneck sweater, a huge coat and GLOVES into the desert. There goes my dream that it's never cold in California. *tear*

Also, would it kill girlfriend to wear a bra occasionally?!
daybreaqdaybreaq on July 21st, 2009 12:50 am (UTC)
It's been awhile since I watched "Buffy." I have to be careful about what I say because my memory is just hazy enough to forget exactly how far into the story Season 4 goes.

Spike and Anya were my favorites too! So yay!

No one and I mean NO ONE liked Riley.

I don't think I'm spoiling too much when I state my opinion that the portrayal of the Willow/Tara relationship got better and much less coy. I generally liked Willow/Tara. The thing that bugged me in general was they couldn't admit Willow was actually bisexual for some reason. Once she was with Tara, she could only be "gay" to the point where she actually says, "Hello, gay now," at one point directly indicating it's somehow impossible that she'd be interested in a man sexually. THAT was stupid because she clearly wasn't faking her love or attraction to Oz or her crush and obvious attraction to Xander either. It always felt like to me TPTB decided having lesbian characters was pushing the envelope as far as they could go but that people wouldn't be able to handle bisexual.

I always felt Angel was overrated on "Buffy" though he certainly had his fans. The word was that "Liam's" Irish accent was really bad. As a hopelessly tone deaf American, I couldn't really tell. So was it? I did like the character much better on his own show ... after the first season. I think a big part of that was David Boreanaz gradually became a better actor. There's a tendency to think of acting as only in terms of "natural talent" but a lot of it is purely learned skill. I always thought it was a bit of an interesting symbolism or something that Spike and Angel kinda had the same first name. So I *think* Angel may have been Irish so his name could be "Liam" an Irish derivative/nickname of William.

They put the word out that they were going to make a new "Buffy" movie; but it's going to be a remake of the original movie (which wasn't that great IMO. In fact, I initially avoided the TV series because I had seen the movie.) The producers of the original movie still have the rights to it and Joss Whedon (Buffy creator) will NOT be involved and it won't be part of his "Jossverse" (the universe of the "Buffy" and "Angel" TV shows and comics.) As I recall, he had little creative control of the original movie though he did write the script. I believe he stated several times the TV series was more what he intended the movie to be. Anyway, this just irritates me.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: realityscoradh on July 22nd, 2009 05:44 pm (UTC)
No one and I mean NO ONE liked Riley.

I don't think even Buffy liked him that much! I certainly didn't think ZANDER did, which was why his 'go get 'em!' speech struck me as so ... OOC. I guess someone had to do it, otherwise we couldn't have that very moving helicopter sequence.

I have to say the gay v bisexual thing was not something that ever occurred to me. I'm just mad they got their first on-screen kiss at Joyce's funeral instead of that cute ep where they were dancing/floating on air. :(

I didn't even notice Angel's real name was Liam. I think I've retroactively blanked out a lot of the series that involved him because ZZZZZZZZZZ. He had his moments ... sadly only while evil. I just can't see the attraction of a show where the male lead can't fall in love or have sex like, ever. And yes, his accent was dreadful. I'd suggest you rent out Intermission or In Bruges to see just how dreadful it is, but then you'd have to watch Intermission or In Bruges ... Catch 22.

Did that even come out in cinemas? I saw the DVD and 'Buffy' looks wrong, although I'm tempted by Joss' scriptwriting. If he wrote the new one I'd also be happy, although why they can't just tell the story of the next Slayer is beyond me ... but then, this is the industry that wanted to make a sequel to Romeo and Juliet.
daybreaqdaybreaq on July 22nd, 2009 11:33 pm (UTC)
I think it was out in theaters in the US for maybe a week or so. (I saw it years ago via rental videotape.) I think the reason *they* can't tell the story of the next Slayer is the people who are making this movie have no rights beyond the storyline of the original movie itself. It's a strange loophole I think. Anything beyond that movie, Joss Whedon has creative control over. Basically, *they* are cashing in on Joss Whedon's later success from doing the idea his way after they kinda messed up the first try.
wayoffbasewayoffbase on July 21st, 2009 06:51 am (UTC)
Yay, Buffy buddies! I'm watching it for the first time too, although I've only just finished Season 2. Also, I completely agree with all you just said.
Although my friend tells me that Angel is far less annoying on the actual series Angel. Although I personally would have preferred a spin off about Spike. And the 90's were stylin', lol. I know I wore some pretty cool clothes (although perhaps not as cool as Buffy's).

Eeeeeee!! Gossip Girl. That is all.

every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Disney: Lion King splashscoradh on July 22nd, 2009 05:33 pm (UTC)
Oh, I hope I didn't spoil you any!

I just finished season five and it's definitely the best so far. Keep on truckin'. And oh man, SPIKE. I don't know about a spinoff because him without Buffy is just WRONG. I'm not very tempted to watch a whole series about Angel and his emopain either. Oh well.

I pretty much lived in shapeless jumpers so I shouldn't judge - but I do anyway!
wayoffbasewayoffbase on July 23rd, 2009 02:35 am (UTC)
That's okay, I love spoilers. =D

Yay! Okay. I just got the season three and four DVDs, so that'll be my project for the weekend. Hmmm, well, I think I would watch it because I basically find James Marsters to be incredibly sexy. Haha. Apparently he is less emopain-esque in Angel.I guess I'll find out soon enough. Although I'd much prefer a proper prequel series about the adventures of Angelus, Spike, Drusilla, and Darla, because he was far more interesting when he was 'evil'. And Spike and Drusilla are my favourites. Eheh.

Haha, I was one of those stylish people who wore massive jumpers and leggings. And dungarees. And bike shorts. Gorgeous stuff. But the fashions on Buffy seem to be worse somehow.
winkingannie: Shiny!winkingannie on July 23rd, 2009 11:48 pm (UTC)
I heart Buffy in a big way. Seasons 4 and 5 were my favorites. Spike is definitely the best character. I feel like the writers started off with Angel and said "we can do better than this." Spike's character places Buffy's whole world in more of a grey area, which works. Glad you're getting into it!
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Eddie Izzard: flagscoradh on July 24th, 2009 10:10 am (UTC)
I loved season five! I am ... not so much a fan of season four because RILEY. SERIOUSLY. GTFO, RILEY.

I think the show's biggest failing was the whole soul v no soul thing. It requires you to believe in a soul to really buy it. I don't. I am much more in favour of things like computer chips, as they are REAL.