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04 March 2011 @ 01:51 pm
dance, my pretties, dance  
An update for those of you following along at home:

Our union did manage to get us paid. Yay for unions! It's like we actually live in the twenty-first century or something. This doesn't change the fact that I don't like my job. I don't like my job and I'm not in denial any more, but I have to keep working because I simply can't afford not to - yet. I intend to save like a mofo for the next two years (my next job's contract lasts two years) and, 60% tax notwithstanding, I can probably afford to take a few months off then and sort out my LIFE. So that's the status quo.

Oh look! A Dance of Dragons is coming out in July. NO REALLY. I had just started medical school when A Feast for Crows was published. How time flies. I can't remember any details, aside from one death - WHY, GEORGE, WHY - and that it was pretty much a shitstorm of magnificent proportions. Martin really made fantasy for me, though, so I will read this in quivering anticipation (of disappointment). Thoughts, peoples?

I often said to myself, "Self, if you ever get published, leave up your fanfic and old journal entries." Because people do like a laugh, and there is little that's more hilarious than my early attempts at 'writing' - unless it's my early attempts at 'journalling'. However, this post of Stacia Kane's did set me considering to reconsider. Obviously the point is moot at the present time, but say I did achieve my one dream in life - do I really want Chuck Palaniuk knowing that I think he's only written one good book? Do I want to fight with Cassandra Clare's legions of fans? Do I want to throw down with every person who loved Middlemarch or Love in the Time of Cholera? DO I WANT TO EVER HAVE TO FACE A BANDOM PERSON WHO KNOWS I WROTE ABOUT THEIR NAKED FUN TIMES? I'm not sure. I think if I ever reached the dizzying heights of, say, Tolkien, many people would want to read everything I've ever written (see: the histories of Middle Earth). On the other hand, the writers of today have an opportunity for so much output - and so much trackable output, at that - it raises the question of whether even the most thorough of fans could ever trawl through it all. It's not like reading one of my old blog entries carries the same twist of excitement as discovering a previously-unread manuscript by a long-dead typewriter-era author. I'd probably end up deleting completely because I am a lazy, lazy creature and the thought of having to censor entries individually just makes me want toast instead.
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(Anonymous) on March 4th, 2011 02:01 pm (UTC)
Congrats on getting paid!
And great you've got a plan of sorts set up. It will make life a little more bearable while you still have to stick with it. ;)
My imaginary friend thinks I'm brilliant.lanitha on March 4th, 2011 02:02 pm (UTC)
Whoops! That was me! Got logged out for some reason...
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Art: disco ballscoradh on March 4th, 2011 02:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I gave most of it right back to the government, but at least I can afford to buy my dad a birthday present now. :D
l.m.: pic#108152013incandescent on March 4th, 2011 02:55 pm (UTC)

I would wrestle Cassandra Clare's fan bare naked like ancient Greeks. Because honestly. My contempt is raging.

Just leave all this stuff up, but don't connect it to your famous, famous name. Then you're good. You can tell us that you're written A BOOK, but not which one, or give clues or whatever. But then you're secret identity would be safe. :)
Filomena: hawt pink barbie biatchaubade_saudade on March 4th, 2011 03:56 pm (UTC)
i would ask them to stay fully clothed. i couldn't take ugly foaming at the mouth rabid bitches with horrible taste swapping naked sweat with me.

i demand all my pseudolesbian encounters have to be done with people who have excellent taste in books. or at least with people who don't like CC's excremental contribution to the literary sewers.
l.m.: pic#108197692incandescent on March 4th, 2011 09:09 pm (UTC)
Nah! Greek wrestling! Manly! Grr.

Haha, you're right. Clothes should stay on for this encounter. (Can I go bare-knuckled, at least?)

every Starbucks should have a polar bear: jillicons: lovely coloursscoradh on March 6th, 2011 03:13 pm (UTC)
There's a cover and everything! (Also he just married his partner of thirty years, I am so charmed.)

But that's the thing: with all this chat about how there's NOT a YA mafia, people forget one thing. Say I diss CC & co. Say I publish YA. I'm going to meet these people. And unless you're a person who thrives on conflict, it's gonna be hella uncomfortable.

Except for how so many people know my real name and stuff, lol.
l.m.: pic#108152048incandescent on March 6th, 2011 04:06 pm (UTC)
A cover! It's like I'm truly hopeful for the first time in forever.

It's so true. My hatred of CC & co goes about as far as not talking about them ever, and when I do talk about them, saying ridiculous things. I'm sure she's very nice, or at leas I'd like to think so. I just don't like her books. *shrug* I don't like a lot of books, in general, so that's not unusual at all. But you're totally and completely right. Zip goes my mouth! Because I want to be comfortable and happy, if I ever publish.

Filomena: bitchaubade_saudade on March 4th, 2011 03:51 pm (UTC)
see? this is how you make people wish you ill, because now i hope you never get published just so i can read yr original fics/bandom stuff forever and ever amen. like, when i'm in my dotage and stuff, taken out to pasture and i'm forgetting my own name but still have the presence of mind to like click on the linkies and coo over the pretty sparkly boys who coo over each other.

iow, holla if you're ever going to delete and don't mind if people keep your IMMORTAL WORDS OF DORKBOY WISDOM in their hard drives.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: halowrites: tiger kittenscoradh on March 6th, 2011 03:14 pm (UTC)
lol! I never thought I struck that much of a blow for bandom. No, I would leave stuff up, I just don't think I'd be active on this particular journal any more.

Man, if it ever got to the point where I finished a book - let alone published et al - EVERYONE would know. EVERYONE.
peripatetic extemporizationshatoyona on March 4th, 2011 05:10 pm (UTC)
I'm following along at home! Yay for getting paid. Also long time no talk. :)
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: PoT: Marui: kissscoradh on March 6th, 2011 03:15 pm (UTC)
HIIIIIIII. I bought my dad a Hugo Boss wallet for his birthday. Yay for money.
peripatetic extemporizationshatoyona on March 6th, 2011 07:58 pm (UTC)
That's awesome! Man I can't wait to have a real people job that actually, you know, pays.
shadowclubshadowclub on March 5th, 2011 12:06 am (UTC)
Eh, I think in the modern world where people can post pictures of celebrities when they were in high school it's just a moot point in a lot of ways. It's just unfortunate because even if you delete your fics or journal there will a copy that someone downloaded somewhere or is cached on some site. I don't know if you wanted to associate your real life persona with your journal or not! I know some published authors in fandom don't.

Do what you love ♥ I'm sorry to here about the drama with payment!

every Starbucks should have a polar bear: halowrites: majestic catscoradh on March 6th, 2011 03:16 pm (UTC)
I don't think I have a choice at this point because, as I said above, plenty of people know my full name, everyone knows my first name and my general whereabouts and also my style and nature of writing. It wouldn't exactly take the work of a genius to track me down. I think I'd probably just dissociate from this and if anyone, say, wanted to bring up the religious controversy or the nekkid bandom boys all I could say was: it's the past.

It is not nice to work so hard for nothing. It is especially not nice to work so hard for nothing at something you hate.
me: :D!surexit on March 5th, 2011 08:17 am (UTC)
Yay for the union! And for you!
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: jillicons: lady in redscoradh on March 6th, 2011 03:17 pm (UTC)
I know right! It's like, phew, I can pay my rent and get Dad a bday gift.
prulaproprulapro on March 5th, 2011 09:27 am (UTC)
Thanks for the link to the article. It is pretty illuminating and does give an impulse to further thought on the matter. I always wondered why Maya had to take down all her writing after being published. Now I have an idea.
Only, I think what Stacia describes is not only a problem which authors encounter, but any person becoming a public figure due to success, fame etc.
And, congratulations for being paid! And I am very sorry to hear that you do not enjoy your work. How long does medical school take where you are? Where I am from it takes *ages*! I wish you luck!
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Scene girls: Jac omg i can't believe i hscoradh on March 6th, 2011 03:19 pm (UTC)
I think Stacia made an excellent point when she said that only unknowns and super-dooper famous people can get away with being controversial. And if they're controversial in a bad way - thinking Mel Gibson and his anti-semitism - you still can't escape the flak. It's probably best to make sure opinions you venture, as a public figure, are always ones you've thought out well and are willing to stand behind. And also that you recognise that you could be wrong and are happy to take a well-informed correction. It's tough.

Well, liking your job is not a prerequisite for life, sadly. I spent five years in medical school, which is about the same time other people would take to get a primary degree and a masters. Nowadays you'd need both to be competitive in the jobs market, so it wasn't that long, comparatively speaking. And thanks!
JRevalangui on March 5th, 2011 04:37 pm (UTC)
I think I'd go for the separate identities thing, personally. If somebody wants to fuck you over with something you said before they can always use the WayBackMachine thing and get your blog entries back, after all. Plus both the point of writing and criticism is the same: telling the truth. So if to become a published writer you've to give up on that there seems to be little point, imo. What this Stacia seems to be saying is that she's paying the price, the price being her right to free speech. Well, I personally don't feel it's a good choice, it's her choice, sure but playing it safe when it comes to something like art, where breaking old molds to be true to yourself is the whole point...? Literature can mean something else to her, maybe it's just entertainment but for me it's very serious business and honesty is paramount when it comes to those *shrugs*

Also, as she points out, this ridiculous standard they have for authors where they can't fuck up is not a good idea. The author was killed for a reason, because giving someone extra authority was a bad idea for ideas. So if an author gets something wrong or has an unpopular opinion that would only remind everyone they are human, which is a good thing and should be encouraged, not suppressed.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: jillicons: red hair flowersscoradh on March 6th, 2011 03:22 pm (UTC)
So if an author gets something wrong or has an unpopular opinion that would only remind everyone they are human, which is a good thing and should be encouraged, not suppressed.

That's an extremely salient point. During this debate people have pointed out that authors are regarded as 'a collection of books and interesting blog posts' rather than people.

In my case, I rag on books quite a bit. YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED. However, this isn't directed at the authors; it's at their audiences. I am a drama queen by nature, so I flail about not getting the last doughnut just as much as I do about crap (imo) books getting so much love from others. I imagine that's not something an author could get from just reading my review. The internet is Difficult.
JRevalangui on March 6th, 2011 05:35 pm (UTC)
Hahha. Yeah, you get a tad annoyed at bad books (totally justifiable, if you ask me) and if you got published and your blog was part of the deal you maybe could go over those reviews and change a couple words, like you would revise a novel, so the fucking idiocy of X author you pointed out indirectly by saying their plot sucked isn't as intense. But, presumably, you'd still be you if you deleted your blog so you'd just say something dramatically again and even if you don't, you would probably (by the law of averages) offend somebody , this whole YA mafia thing really proof people will believe whatever they want.

Sometimes authors lose their personality, i think, because it's hard to know a real person so intimately while not having actual contact with them. But then one of them will say something salient, either good or bad, and suddently you need someone to direct your feelings at, which is when for me anybody on the internet gets personhood. After a few of this incidents in which I feel connected with them (and i'm likely to say something and they to say something back) they stay people in my head. So i get people who haven't interacted with someone saying something innapropiate, which I like the idea of criticizing the work/book, like you said, and not the author. (Except when people are publically and proudly assholes like O.S.Card, when I feel a moral obligation to give in to my desire to diss them)

The internet is difficult alright, but also is real life, it's just a matter of doing the right thing even if it is hard. I do get people wanting a safe space, though, so separate identities seem like the ideal compromise. Professionally you are forced to be polite and restrain yourself, which is good, society wouldn't work if we told our bosses to fuck off, but the annonimy of the internet is supposed to provide a space where such restraints do not exist, the price we pay is that sometimes people are assholes since it's got no consequences but I'm prepared to pay it if it means everybody gets to say their piece, no buts (the authors whose opinions on the topic I've read seem to wholeheartedly agree). Speaking up while non annonymous is a bit more heroic since it would have consequences and I certainly don't expect it of anybody, not even myself, but not deleting your blog and simply creating a new one if someone decides to publish you? Can't see the fault with that one, since obviously these people aren't using the blog as part of their "I'm a good writer deal" the way, say, Maya did. In cases like hers I think it should be awkwodledged that she gave up her right to say anything in exchange for keeping her fans, I'm grateful since that means I get to follow her books now but it was a choice *she* made, not something inherent to being published like Stacia implied.

Woa. I'm a bit argumentative and ranty lately XD.
JRevalangui on March 5th, 2011 04:40 pm (UTC)
Forgot to say: congrats on getting paid! What's this 60% tax thing you mention? Sounds insane.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Fooish girl in chainsscoradh on March 6th, 2011 03:23 pm (UTC)
I pay the highest bracket of tax because I earn over 30,000 grand base pay, and then my overtime is taxed at an even higher rate, so I end up giving back more than half of what I earn. It's pretty bitter, particularly when I see I'm paying off failing banks and shit like that instead of contributing to a better country.