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16 July 2005 @ 09:44 pm
So I finished it  

No one seems to be posting about their Harry Potter experience ... maybe because it's as naff as wacked-out natural-childbirths, but hey.

I queued, yes I did. From six o'clock in the day. One of my friends queued from one o'clock and hence was first in the queue. We got heckled. It was amazingly fun. I haven't been properly roused since school, or in a year; I'd forgotten just how agressive I become when roused. It was best at about half ten to eleven, when everyone was spilling out of pubs to go to clubs and were drunkenly slurring, "Oh yeah, they're queuin' fer Harry Pother!" Cue me jumping up with: "Really? I didn't know that!", "Actually, it's U2 tickets" or "No, we're homeless actually, you got something against that?". Then we tormented the security guard, who was most condescending of the whole business. He got owned by the eleven-year-old next to me in the queue, who was sorry for the guard's "empty brain" and asked did he need to speak slower? The staff at Waterstones had t-shirts with Muggle written on them. We offered to buy them. Even though we made our own, with "I solemnly swear that I am up to no good" on the front and "Mischief Managed" on the back.

I read till four in the morning, then got up at eleven and continued throughout the day. I lay out in the sun and got slowly roasted, all along my arms and on the tops of my feet. I wore a skirt in honour of the occasion. I wanted to run around screaming at tiny things, but there was absolutely no one in my house who would remotely understand. I hope you guys all finish up soon.

As for the whole thing, I was mainly worried that the fandom wouldn't survive. In and of itself, I loved the book; but the fandom was my comfort when the last one ended, I wasn't here before OotP and so I was unsure how much of a blow that book was to recover from. However, even a brief glance at my flist has show that we're resilient. The fandom is internets' answer to cockroaches.

I found this rushed. I really did. It was bang bang bang in terms of every part of the plot. Perhaps that was because I read it so fast, though.

The ships? Look, I'd've been quite happy to see Harry and Ginny together, as the ultimate fantasy-come-true: The crush that ignored you realising your mistake? I like it. But ... at the end of OotP, Harry was still completely uninterested in Ginny, and RON was the one suggesting that Ginny get "someone better". Then Harry has an epiphany and starts worrying that Ron won't like Harry going out with Ginny. I'm sorry, but WTF? And: Subtlety be gone, is it? His crush on Cho lasted THREE BOOKS. It was delicately handled. This ... wasn't.

I'm obviously warped by fandom, I'll admit it. Remus/Tonks seemed like a useless afterthought. I would always have been a tiny bit annoyed that she couldn't even subtly show support for the Wolfstar, in view of the whole "tolerance" issue or whatever. However, if she'd shown me some love and affection going down between R/T, I'd have been as happy as a kid in a sandbox. But I wasn't shown, I was told. So yeah, that was irritating. And Sirius/Tonks? Would that not have been, like, incest? Could she have beaten us over the head any more with Lily's skills at Potions? Or, on another note, why can't she split up some of her humongous sentences?

That said, this book did remind me quite forcibly why I loved, and love, the Harry Potter series so much. I sat on the hillside at about seven o'clock as the sun was going in, the book in my lap, tears in my eyes, wondering why everything seemed so wretchedly empty.

Yeah, the fandom will survive. Mainly because ninety percent of us are here for the porn. It's probably ironic or something, but as I read about Dumbledore's death -- and nearly got sick, because SNAPE! -- I compared it to his death in If You Are Prepared; you know, the best Snarry ever written. I do know that Cybele's death hurt me more. This is mainly because I can believe that fanfic writers are heartless bitches when it comes to the dark and angst, but I'm still having trouble coming to terms with the darkness in JK. So sue me.

Current Mood: pensivepensive
Current Music: "Bitter Sweet Symphony", the Verve
denial_girldenial_girl on July 16th, 2005 02:43 pm (UTC)
Not reading your thoughts since I haven't gotten my copy yet -- Amazon guaranteed to get it on release day if you ordered before July 8 (which we did), but damn Canadian shipping makes that promise a moot point. Who knows when I'll get it now... I should have just bought it at the mall since I was already there for work.

So yeah. Not much of an experience to write about besides some wangst in my own journal, heh.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 16th, 2005 03:31 pm (UTC)
Ah, but the "Experience" is whenever you read the book, the day you read it! I suppose, eh, I spun OotP out for a month and GOF for three days, so this one-day thing was a new thing for me. Anyway, I want opinions as soon as you have 'em!
Mvaguely_dirty on July 16th, 2005 02:53 pm (UTC)
Would that not have been, like, incest?

YES! Thank you! When Harry started thinking that I just kind of stopped and went, "But that's his (second) cousin!". And I agree about it being rushed, it wasn't as well paced as it ought have been.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 16th, 2005 03:33 pm (UTC)
When I think about the intricate plot of OotP, what the weapon was, Umbridge who was such a wonderfully vindictive character ... then you have Slughorn, who was Hey, Mr Obvious Plot Device if I ever saw one. I can't remember a new teacher since Quirrell who was so obviously "placed". Although the Snape for DADA was genius.
Insufferable, man.: bitch - wastedfairycynicalpirate on July 16th, 2005 03:52 pm (UTC)
I don't want to talk to you, I just want bang bang bang.
I liked the incest, mate. Would've made things more interesting.

My friend thought Tonks was pregnant with Sirius's baby, though, which is too Eastenders for my taste.

Remus/Tonks. *heavily sarcastic* Oh, I saw coming that a mile off, what with all the hints she dropped in the earlier books and subtle way she built it up.

why can't she split up some of her humongous sentences
Hey, I have that affliction too, so don't be too hard on her because it's really not fair and it's a handicap, not a writing style and I expect she had a lot to be getting along with, what with the fame and the money and all.

So sue me.
I would, except I'm too tired.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 17th, 2005 12:28 pm (UTC)
Now now, enough with the sexual euphemisms.
... then again, you DO ship Sirius/Bella.

Actually, the shipping in its entirety read like Days of our Lives. Only crappier.

Good lord, I was expecting something PLAUSIBLE, like that she'd been mind-captured by Voldemort. But no, she was just depressed because she couldn't get a MAN. Girl pow -- oops, it ran out.

As my mother so aptly put it, it's a massproduced item. Oh yesh. The McDonald's of biliophilia.

Um. No reply to that.
Too good to resist. - cynicalpirate on July 18th, 2005 01:18 am (UTC) (Expand)
Like peas and chocolate. - scoradh on July 18th, 2005 08:49 am (UTC) (Expand)
gabbysun on July 16th, 2005 03:53 pm (UTC)
Almost word-for-word of what I put in Sophie's journal, only more.
The first thing I thought when I put down the book was:


Seriously, way to set something off. And the entire time I was seeing just little throwaway remarks and actions that I immediately seized upon as shipping proof—any pairing—and I blame the fandom entirely.

I actually shipped Lupin/Tonks for a pretty long time, so when I saw it I was a bit *OMGGLEEE* but it was a bit disappointing because it just comes in out of nowhere. I mean . . . where were the hints, the subtlety? Just POW there you go and that sort of sucked. But I think I'll enjoy the inevitable masses of fic that elaborates, so yay! I was surprised that the long foretold R/Hr didn't happen—I mean, it sort of did, but not really. (Sirius/Tonks was . . . man, Harry. MAN. I was so terrified that it'd come true, too.)

I don't know, the book felt sort of empty to me. Maybe because it's the sixth in a series of seven? I think it felt rushed, yes. I think if it had been a little longer, so much more could have been fleshed out. I'm probably spoiled by Pterry, or something.

Personally, I think Snape is innocent and Dumbledore was asking him to put him out of his misery. Hey, it could happen! And I never suspected for a second that he was the HBP. Seriously, who knew?
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 17th, 2005 12:48 pm (UTC)
Re: Almost word-for-word of what I put in Sophie's journal, only more.
Look, I'm tellin' ya. R/T would be fine with me because she's not saying anything about his huge love for Sirius in school now is she?!. However, it was just SLAPPED in, like she felt she had to deflect all the slash in the world ever away from her book. I thought she was cooler than that. Mind, she can't seem to write romance for toffee. Plot, okay.

Yeah; it was really the two-year, I've a newborn baby book. When I think back to how complex and dark and interesting OotP was ... gah.

Dude, you and the majority of the fandom! Because he didn't say "Please don't kill me". And there's a lot of proof really. I was still shocked, though!
Gin: back when dan was omgsqueebackinblack on July 16th, 2005 03:57 pm (UTC)
I was terrified that fandom (and myself) would give up after OoTP was released, but it adapated and continued to flourish. The big changes were the types of fic, the darkness, and of course Occlumency. Harry's old illusions about his father, Snape, and Dumbledore weren't so much included in the new breed of post-OoTP fics. I imagine the fandom will have much the same sort of reaction, once we get over the shock.

I REALLY WANT EPIC SNAPE/HARRY DAMNIT AND SOME MORE OF DRACO, WHO IS SO. I still like him but not until the end. Through most of the book I was like, "I HOPE SHE KILLS HIM OFF."
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 17th, 2005 12:52 pm (UTC)
Yes, I reckon everyone will take the No-Hogwarts thing and run with it. Looking forward to that, although many of my favourite fics are seventh-year Hogwarts ones! I just can't believe that we'll never be able to write Dumbledore again, even though nearly all of us killed him off at some point ...

Throughout most of the book I was there, "What fanfic writer killed JK and tampered with Draco, eh?!"
(no subject) - denial_girl on July 22nd, 2005 11:51 am (UTC) (Expand)
someone's always looking for DB Coopernumena on July 16th, 2005 08:58 pm (UTC)
It was so incredibly rushed - especially the relationships (other than Hermione and Ron, which she's been dropping hints about forever and still nothing concrete seems to have happened.)

"And Sirius/Tonks? Would that not have been, like, incest?"
Exactly! That's the first thought that popped into my head.

I noticed the long sentences too - which is a rare thing for me. Honestly? I've horrible grammar and I tend not to notice that sort of thing when I'm reading (especially one that I loved as much I loved this one - including all its faults) so the fact that I actually paused in the middle of reading to think "eh? what's with this paragraph? it's practically one sentence." a few times is pretty telling.

Still loved this book though. (:

And (Yes, let me add to this horrifically long comment. *snort*) because I'm asking everyone: Do you think R.A.B is a character that's already been introduced? Or someone entirely new? And if you think it's someone we know - who?

My imaginary friend thinks I'm brilliant.lanitha on July 16th, 2005 11:28 pm (UTC)
Grrrrr... LJ is eating my comments...

As I was saying: Isn't RAB Regulus something Black? Dunno for sure, though...
(no subject) - numena on July 17th, 2005 01:59 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - mithborien on July 17th, 2005 06:26 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - scoradh on July 17th, 2005 01:02 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Mithmithborien on July 17th, 2005 06:24 am (UTC)
Yeah, the fandom will survive. Mainly because ninety percent of us are here for the porn.

Oh god, that's so true.

That was my problem with the book as well. I don't object to anything that actually happened just the way that everything happened wasn't written as good as it should've have been.

And my Harry Potter experience consisted of getting up in the morning, going down to the shopping centre, buying the book and going home. There wasn't even a queue to buy the book so my experience wasn't all that exciting :)
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 17th, 2005 01:10 pm (UTC)
Again, all I can say is "word". I think the fandom is for flights of fancy and I never expected her to validate my slash ships, ever. However, I still wanted some godamn satisfaction from het ships; I liked Harry/Cho and how that went on, I even liked what looked to be a slow-burn Harry/Ginny. In my mind, he's gay, so it no matter. But what did I get? A wham bam thank you mam kinda thing! No love.

Eh, well. I s'pose you missed out on hecklers!
Linza_linz on July 18th, 2005 04:53 pm (UTC)
That's such a good point about Harry's crush on Cho, though. I mean, I didn't even like Cho that much but the fact that Harry liked her seemed reasonable and natural while his feelings towards Ginny are odd. All he worries about are Ron's feelings; he dismisses the possibility that Ginny would reject him. Sadly, she doesn't but...you know, she might have...(in my wildest fantasies).

But yes, bring on the cockcroach p0rn. Eurgh, that came out wrong :P

every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 19th, 2005 01:16 pm (UTC)
Yeah; I mean, I'm not in the least het's biggest fan, but what JK feels about Harry's gayness (or lack thereof) is her perogative. Writing crap het, though, is another story. Not even my favourite authors are above my concrit and they do seem to be letting me down lately: Robin Hobb, Orson Scott Card, JK ...

Ver' true! I mean, he was oblivious to her for five and a half years of their six year acquaintance; a little of the real teenagerishness that JK had down in the other books would have been nice.

But yes, bring on the cockcroach p0rn. Eurgh, that came out wrong :P

I love you; it is quite as simple as that.
(no subject) - a_linz on July 19th, 2005 06:08 pm (UTC) (Expand)
amazing vaguely humanoid armadillopersoncryptid on July 21st, 2005 05:38 pm (UTC)
Loooong comment. :P
I would always have been a tiny bit annoyed that she couldn't even subtly show support for the Wolfstar, in view of the whole "tolerance" issue or whatever.

Hmm -- but she's been pretty clear about her intentions there, no? That the marauders were friends, close friends but nothing more. If people see more than that, that's fine, but to expect her to conform to it and turn the intended friendship into something more, because 'friendship isn't good enough', because many would prefer it that way, or to be more PC... um, I wouldn't respect that much. It'd be different if she'd intended it to be that kind of relationship from the start, of course.

I think Lupin and Tonks may fit pretty well together as characters, but I'd've liked to see hints of it beforehand. We never got to see it unfolding at all, we were just presented with the fact at the end. (I think she tried to pry too much into that scene, anyway... Dumbledore shock/grief, explaino and love all at once.) And I think Tonks's depression about it was overdone (yes, red herring, I get it, but let's not sacrifice characterisation to plot).

And Sirius/Tonks? Would that not have been, like, incest?

... Whatever. They're not even first cousins, are they? And for that matter, there's rarely a problem genetically about first cousins breeding if it's a one-time thing; it's when it happens generation after generation that it gets bad. I just don't get the whole incest phobia I see everywhere, not when they're that far apart. I hardly even count my second cousins as relatives, not that I've ever had much to do with them.

And yes, the H/G came rather out of the blue as well, even if I don't dislike the ship per se. I'm not surprised that Harry never noticed her before OotP, since she was a shy little kid in the first books, but even in OotP, when everyone's all 'Oh, Ginny's all pretty and popular and has yet another boyfriend', Harry's hardly reacting at all. Not even a 'Hey, she actually is pretty, now that I think about it', or 'Jeebus, Cho's wearing on me... why can't she act like a normal person, more like Ginny?' A few hints of that kind in OotP, and it'd be quite fine.

Didn't notice the run-on sentences much (possibly because I'm severely afflicted by that myself), but the adverbs and dialogue tags could use some serious editing. Again we had to see someone ejaculate a line. *Gah.* X(

Ohgod, Dumbledore's death. I... don't know what to think. I didn't really expect him to survive the series, but for him to go like that... and now I'm really confused about what to think about Snape. But whether he turns out to be with or against Voldemort, she'd better give a damn good reason for it. I'd hate it if she'd spent all this time making him complex and multifaceted and then just went 'Oh, he was evil all along. Just because he was, kthxbai'. I wonder how she's going to tie up all the threads without making book 7 into a 2000 page monster.

Two small gloats at the fandom: Blaise Zabini is black, and Snape is a poor half-blood! Love it when she kicks widespread and baseless assumptions over like that. No more Snape as a wealthy aristocrat, dammit. :P

I'm likely to post about it myself, I just need to sort out what I have to say first.

*roaches off*
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 23rd, 2005 01:03 pm (UTC)
Re: Loooong comment. :P
Yes, the thing is I thought that was her intention -- to subtly show that there is a gay ship there. I find it far more one-dimensional now; everyone's het and happy. It's like reading Orson Scott Card; you deny a whole lot of stuff when you show everyone het. Hell, even chicklit always has it's token gay nowadays!

They would have, indeed ... if JK didn't have a little authorial problem with "telling, not showing". *eyeroll*

I suppose incest is a case of where do you stop? If you say it's okay to shag your first cousin, what's the diff in shagging your brother? Or something. Mind, there's a whole subsection of fandom devoted to the very thing, so what can I say? Some people think it's hot. There's something for everyone here, really ... the ultimate democracy!

Run on sentences bug me in literature, because once a fault is pointed out I can't stop seeing it! My mother said never use more than thirteen words in a sentence or you'll lose people's attention; that's stuck.

Absolutely no body believes that Snape is evil. Even if he is, we'll still think otherwise, seeing as we've only Harry's word to go on no matter what.xD

denial_girl: Narnia Wardrobedenial_girl on July 22nd, 2005 12:05 pm (UTC)
This is rather late, but I finally got my copy and finished it yesterday morning, so time to share my thoughts. I have some more on my own journal that I won't get into, just reply to your comments.

I liked it better than than OotP, my least favourite book because I thought it was too long and Harry bugged. I thought this one was a tighter story, and more reminiscent of the earlier books in tone. I agree about the romance taking over the plot, though. I didn't really have that much problem with Harry liking Ginny suddenly (it happens -- I suddenly started liking this guy in high school just because he carried my heavy suitcase down some tricky stairs), but I wish there were more one-on-one scenes between them before that very public first kiss. I thought that was a little bad teen movie for me. But I am such a H/G shipper I wonder if anything would really satisfy me there.

And it seems like *everyone* is hooking up... which I agree does seem rather soap opera-y, but I think it will ultimately have a point because of Dumbledore's emphasis that Voldemort couldn't love while other characters like Harry can. I still would have preferred more Snape/Harry scenes (the guy finally gets the DADA job and there's like, what, one classroom scene?) over stuff like that Ron/Lavender mental imagery I could have done without.

So yeah... I think the problem most people have with HBP is the focus on romance when there was much more interesting stuff going on (Voldemort's past, Draco, etc., especially before the final showdown in book seven) and I agree, but I did still like the book a lot on the whole.

Anyone else disappointed that the whole Half-Blood Prince thing meant practically nothing, though?
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 23rd, 2005 12:25 pm (UTC)
YES! I can't believe how she skimmed over important things, like grieving for Sirius, Snape's new job, Harry's own new feelings for Ginny -- and they were new, no matter what JK TELLS us to the contrary -- in favour of shite like R/L which was so fandom I nearly retched. Her descriptions sucked! The only ones that were good were the slashy-hinty ones, imho.

... then again, the Chamber of Secrets, P's stone, P of Az., all described things that were in plain sight.

I'm now back to being a H/D shipper, anyways. xD
Caitcoralia13 on July 23rd, 2005 08:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the fandom will survive. Mainly because ninety percent of us are here for the porn.

Ahahahahahaha.... *wipes away tears of laughter and sadness* Oh, I love you, my darling.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 24th, 2005 01:37 pm (UTC)
Thank you.

In my defence, I didn't come here for porn. Honest. Just ... the porn got ME, see? Oh dear.
(no subject) - coralia13 on July 26th, 2005 08:33 am (UTC) (Expand)