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24 July 2006 @ 11:07 pm
I love humorous fic.

I hate crackfic.

When will the world realise there's a difference between the two?

This may explain why I'm not as funny as I wish I were.
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Loyaulte Me Lie: Harry/Ron/melonshocolate on July 24th, 2006 10:12 pm (UTC)
Is it funny or crack when someone screws a watermelon?
Anansay: bondageanansay on July 24th, 2006 10:39 pm (UTC)
Uh, desperate?
(no subject) - kabeyk on July 24th, 2006 11:48 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - shocolate on July 24th, 2006 11:55 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - scoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:56 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Dr Leezardlizardspots on July 24th, 2006 10:24 pm (UTC)
A THOUSAND TIMES, YES. I was discussing this with someone the other day. I have absolutely no tolerance for crack. Phooey.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:36 pm (UTC)
You are shining, you are burning, I love you!
Neal's ass is magicfatale on July 24th, 2006 10:30 pm (UTC)
That's why you can't join my cult.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:21 pm (UTC)
And the cherry KoolAid was just so tempting, dammit.
mad_martha on July 24th, 2006 10:31 pm (UTC)
But what's the definition of crackfic?

I'm not good with humour, really. I know I generally prefer straightforward stories that have incidental elements of humour, rather than stories that set out to be funny from the start. I think this is because what is funny to one person isn't necessarily funny to another, and my sense of humour can be a bit odd at the best of times.

I think your fics are very funny :-)
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:40 pm (UTC)
Bad crackfic? Is writing a stupid premise and a stupid story for the sake of writing stupidly. Like, whee, look at me on my sugar high! kind of thing.

Good crackfic? I'd advise you read furiosity's comment on this thread. It's having an odd idea that you explore properly. Like, I suppose, what would happen if Harry found an abandoned baby on his doorstep. >.>

Thank you! Yet humour wouldn't be my deal-breaker when reading; I prefer drama. [wink, wink, nudge, nudge]
(no subject) - mad_martha on August 1st, 2006 06:30 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Anansay: conceptionanansay on July 24th, 2006 10:42 pm (UTC)
I just don't understand crackfic. I mean, I can come out with some totally whacked-out shit on my own, but would I write about it? Hmm, I don't think so. Because it always seems one of those "you had to be there" things.
But humour? Sarcastic humour? Oh YES!! Gimme gimme GIMME!

Very few crackfics are actually humourous. When you can get the two together, watch out! It's dangerous for possibly-incontinent people. Who like to drink while surfing. (Even cola!)
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:10 pm (UTC)
That's my main problem with crackfic -- that I'm apparently supposed to find juvenilia totally side-splitting. Well, I don't. I like at least a little intelligence mixed in. Some people need to be forcefed Terry Pratchett, ASAP.
not your typical annihilatrix: Crack: Crack is like Jesusfuriosity on July 24th, 2006 11:00 pm (UTC)
I love crackfic. Hell, I'm on a Lumos panel for crackfic. XD But then, there's the good crack, and there's the bad crack.

Crack isn't supposed to be funny, actually, at least not the way I think of it -- it's just taking a wild-ass premise and writing it. Unfortunately, a lot of people confuse crackfic with unapologetic canon rape. Crackfic doesn't need to rape canon or be funny. A well-done crackfic can be funny, but I dunno, when I write cracked out premises? I'm not trying to be funny. I'm trying to put the damn bunny to rest. I consider some things crackfic even when they're not intended to be that by the author -- to me, all mpreg!fic is crackfic, and it can be good or bad, depending on the author -- I still won't read it, though: not because it's crack, but because it's mpreg.

Amd you know, without crackfic, no one could ever seriously write a story where Draco runs away to the Dominican and becomes a cabana boy. Or some rich woman's henchman. Er. Not that I'd ever write that. >.>
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
Yet again, you've nailed it. Thank you -- that's exactly what I was thinking. It's one thing to write a cracked-out premise, and kudos to those who do it well. [nods at you] But writing humour is an art in itself ... you should be able to bring it into any situation, even tragedy. You don't need any special framework for it. And if you can't, no amount of cracked premises will give it to you.

I initially read that as Draco runs away to the Dominicans. Draco, the monk! Also cracked. But ... disturbingly tenacious ...
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every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:38 pm (UTC)
Yeah, you're right -- the crackfic premise rather than any actual talent for being humorous. It's in seriousness that humour resides -- so said AA Gill, and he should know. ;D
Nicole: hans christian andersenterkey on July 24th, 2006 11:01 pm (UTC)
I just love well-written fic. Crack, humor, angst, dark, whatever, as long as it doesn't make my eyes cross with the bad.

My discrimination has never involved style, just pairings and ratings. I have no use for gen anything rated below R, usually.

And of course there's a difference between crack and humor. I mean, the books are full of humor, but I don't think anyone would call canon crackfic. Unless they were the ones on crack. Which is always possible.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:57 pm (UTC)
Same here! Gen can go take a running jump as far as I'm concerned, and it'd have to be a truly excellent PG13 to get me interested nowadays. (When I first came I decided I wasn't going to read anything R ... how quickly that changed.)

Can you imagine if they put HP books in crack rehabilitation centres?!
(no subject) - terkey on July 29th, 2006 10:00 pm (UTC) (Expand)
kabeyk on July 24th, 2006 11:45 pm (UTC)
Crack just has to be very, very good or completely to your taste for it to work for you. Have to agree with you that I mostly don't like it.

Yeah, people shouldn't label humourous fic as crack when it isn't, because then I won't read it. Thankfully, they don't usually mislabel the other way around.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 10:07 pm (UTC)
Hmm, the best crack is the RL Georgia Nicolsen books. Even then she takes it all dead seriously.

Exactly. Then again, you shouldn't say 'my fic's sooo funny, lads' anyway; it's just conceited.
Trinity Day: C'est La Vtrinityday on July 25th, 2006 12:02 am (UTC)
See, I think I love crackfic. As long as you differentiate it from the fic where you think the person writing it really was on crack, because that's the only way they could possibly think there's any sense or logic (or quality) to their writing.

But agreed that there isn't enough good humour fic out there.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 10:02 pm (UTC)
Or on a sugar high. ;D I guess I never like it when the author seems to be laughing at his or her characters, instead of with them. Also why I can't warm to Anthony Trollope. [sigh]
Elsieelsie on July 25th, 2006 12:49 am (UTC)
Umm ... what have you been smoking that would make you think you're not very funny?
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Eggsscoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:19 pm (UTC)
Reading too many of ladyjaida's entries, I guess!
gwathhenationgwathhenation on July 25th, 2006 05:46 am (UTC)

Maybe with the exception of minnow_53's fic, because she is brilliant, and there's usually at least a subtle hint of crack even in the non-crack ones.

But otherwise, no.
Minnowminnow_53 on July 26th, 2006 08:30 pm (UTC)
HI! I just came across this while idly reading down... It deserves a big hug. ♥ Personally, I feel that if something makes you laugh, it doesn't matter how you label it.

*more hugs*

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Jaximadra_blue on July 25th, 2006 05:51 am (UTC)
I'm in total agreement with you there. In fact, one reason I friended you was ebcause I love your sense of humor. Funny without getting utterly ridiculous.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:29 pm (UTC)
Hee, thanks. I still remember your first comment, you know. And I'm getting better at treading the line between the two!
jehnt: misc - fashion - lipglossjehnt on July 25th, 2006 09:48 am (UTC)
why are my comments always so long, even after editing?
1. If you're not as funny as you wish you are, you must be wishing to be so funny that my brain blasts out the back of my skull simply from reading something you wrote. Which would, btw, be less funny and more tragic.

2. I thought you liked crackfic. By my definition, Dancing with Ben Hall is among the crackiest crackfic to ever crack, and May Contain Nuts and Princes of Maine are up there also. Well, they're probably in the "contains many cracktastic elements, yet are not total crack" range. So, since you have written stuff I'd define as crackfic, I always assumed you liked it.

3. This is clearly a call for fandom to have more codified definitions. Peer-vetted fandom dictionary, anyone?

4. While good crackfic is excellent, bad crackfic is ... well, more painful than anything else. This is why Harry Potter and the Spacebrooms of Doom will probably never ever make it out of the notebook I trapped it in (to make a long story short: I decided that the reason I've never loved HP as much as scifi fandoms was the extreme lack of spaceships, so I corrected the problem). I like it and think it's funny and at least decently written, but I can recognize that it might seriously traumatize others. Because, you know, spacebrooms.

So, what's your definition of crackfic? I'm guessing it's different than mine.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:34 pm (UTC)
Re: why are my comments always so long, even after editing?
1. Well, I wouldn't like to make anyone die (although I have made people cry ... O.o). I'd just like everything I write to be funny -- even comments -- and that just doesn't happen. At all. Woe.

2. No ... to my mind, those plots were plausible. I can see how you're getting there for Ben Hall, but the point there is that it's an AU. As for the other two, what on earth is crackficced about them? Crackfic is, like, randomly inserting Pokemon characters or having people swear all the time or just plain being stupid, writing on a Pepsi and glow worms high. Yeah? Those stories might have inclined themselves to humour, but I put in the legwork. Crackfic either doesn't have legwork or is, like furiosity said above, not supposed to be funny.

3. Word.

4. Sounds interesting, though. I wonder if there's a limit on how high brooms fly -- surely at some point they'd run out of oxygen?
Lord Marmaduke Newbrycatsmeat on July 25th, 2006 11:59 am (UTC)
Alas, I've added you on google chat and what followed was definately not rachel molestation.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on July 29th, 2006 09:12 pm (UTC)