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03 August 2006 @ 11:39 pm

I was lucky enough to see luci0logy's post before she locked it down. And when I say lucky, I obviously mean 'not.'

Everyone's saying that you need a thick skin to post fic, or at least that it's a trait you must develop somewhere along the way. People are being bitchy and they're being logical but the one thing I haven't seen so far is the one thing I keep thinking:

That if a critical review can find fault in your work -- no matter who writes that review -- then SOMETHING ABOUT IT SUCKS. DEAL.

I don't know what the big deal about being rec'ed is anyway. I like it when it happens, but I just see it as an extended review. At least in my experience, even a rec from someone like painless_j only ends up generating maximum three new reviews. Maybe that's because people read without reviewing -- I don't know, obviously, because they're not telling me. So that's the whole 'OMG the wonderfulness of reviews' theory shot down.

And two fingers to the idea that you need to be somehow brave like a ninja to post fic. Hands up the people around here who've seen me wibble? (Or at least seen the cut heading and scrolled on by.) Yes, that would be EVERYONE. There is only one thing that makes me more depressed than posting fic, and that's boys. It doesn't matter if I get good feedback or whatever. Nothing ever lives up to your expectations when you post fic -- nothing -- and that hurts.

But two years on I'm still here ...

Honestly, back when there was that wank about HPers absconding to PoT -- now I totally understand why they were so pissed. If I were any other fandom, I'd hate to see us coming too. Not that it stopped me. But that's me. I cry bitter tears every second week over fandom but it ain't never gonna break me. (Or get rid of me, worse luck.)

Speaking of PoT, I see there's an interesting fest in the shape of santa_smex. Cue the grand mal wibbles. I'd love to sign up, but I'm afraid of the 'smex' part. So far I haven't seen any NC-17 Tenipuri fic, and I'm not sure I want to. Never mind the beginning of this post, that was the stupid bit -- someone either say 'Fly, my pretty! Write futurefic!' or 'Yeah ... I'm one with the fumbly groping, but erlack penetration?'

(Drabbles tomorrow.)

Current Location: Durr City, Arizona
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patron saint of the mediocre: me; larsthrupenny on August 3rd, 2006 11:10 pm (UTC)
That if a critical review can find fault in your work -- no matter who writes that review -- then SOMETHING ABOUT IT SUCKS. DEAL.

Heh. That's the hardest thing to cope with, that the mean girls might have a point! Oh no!

I'd love to sign up, but I'm afraid of the 'smex' part.

I'm afraid of the word 'smex'. It's uncomfortably close to 'smegma'.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 3rd, 2006 11:15 pm (UTC)
Dude, maybe the review is mean, but the reviewers are not (or shouldn't be). It's like exams -- there's a reason you fail them. No one wants a crappy doctor or mechanic. So why do we have to endure crappy writers? (And I include myself in that category if required.)

WTF is smegma?! Like, magna?
(no subject) - thrupenny on August 3rd, 2006 11:30 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - scoradh on August 3rd, 2006 11:36 pm (UTC) (Expand)
empathic_siren on August 3rd, 2006 11:25 pm (UTC)
I, of course, have missed out on all this today having to spend my time making my little widgets. I really like what you have to say, so now you are the target for my fandom ramble. (a thousand apologies beforehand).

It's funny. I have very mixed feelings about all of this. Reviews are reviews--you either deal with them or you don't. That doesn't mean that the awful ones don't make you cry (because they do)or the really amazing ones make you feel like things are right in the world (because they do), but at the same time, you have to stop crying or smiling and move on.

Here's my take on this whole debacle. When I write, I give a little bit of myself away. That makes posting hard. But I do it. I choose to do it. I choose to put myself out there. If someone criticizes my writing, it feels personal. There. I've said it. I wish I could say that I way tougher than that, but I'm not. I suspect many people feel the same way, which is what (I suspect) is fueling so much of this controversy. BUT just because it might sting for a while doesn't give me the right to lash out OR to demand that others not write critical things. Within certain legal limits, we all have the right to write as we please, to express our opinions, and, if we're brave enough, to go out there on the ledge and say what we really think.

Here's the thing. If someone gets mad because of what someone else wrote about their fic and, in a fit of . . . whatever, lashes out at the reviewer and, let's say, leaves the fandom, who loses? The person who didn't have a good cry and then get up and get back on that proverbial horse. At the end of the day, what matters is what you do with the review, not whether it was ever posted in the first place. *shrugs* My two cents.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 3rd, 2006 11:32 pm (UTC)
No worries, darlin' -- you know you can ramble here anytime.

I know what you mean in that first paragraph. Reviews can set the world on fire ... but fires die. You know, someone says something wonderful about X fic, but I still have to get up in the morning and see that I have a spot on my chin/my hair's a mess/boys are mean/college is tough/my study isn't going well etc etc etc. I don't write for myself, I do write for other people ... but at the same time, what other people give me never compares to what I give myself through doing all this.

I don't think anyone can just passively take bad reviews. Concrit can sting. But if you're happy with never improving your standard of writing, then that's just all kinds of wrong. I've cried over betas, and my writing got better. I saw it happen. It was the best feeling ever.

I see we are as one on this issue. Good to know. ♥
(no subject) - empathic_siren on August 3rd, 2006 11:37 pm (UTC) (Expand)
jehnt: sw - jaina solojehnt on August 3rd, 2006 11:48 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I don't get what the big deal is with the critical reviews. I don't post fic (currently, though I have in the past and probably will in the future) so maybe I'm not keyed into how much it hurts if you get a bad review but like ... if you get a bad review and they actually have a point, then at least you know and you can improve. Which I would think that everyone would have as a goal, but then there are those people who fire their betas because the betas point out errors. SO, you know. Maybe not everyone wants to improve. I don't understand it, but people do a lot of illogical things I don't understand.

Also, BRAVE LIKE A NINJA. I <3 the ninjas
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 4th, 2006 12:18 am (UTC)
That's my point exactly. I don't like thinking that I have to improve and will, in fact, resist it like a mofo -- but I won't ever deny that I do. [shrug] All this can be summed up under the catch-all title of PEOPLE SUCK.

Like a ninja <-- just such a great phrase. Better if I stopped typing ninka, though.
there's always a siren singing you to shipwreckwhatitistoburn1 on August 4th, 2006 12:47 am (UTC)
I'm basically one of those people who hate getting bad reviews. I usually don't feel 100% great about my fics lately for some reason, but when I do and someone finds fault with it, yeah it hurts. Obviously, everything can be improved but sometimes I just like things the way they are.

I guess [like someone who commented said before me] that people do take things EXTREMELY personally. And yeah, I do too. Because my goal in life IS to be a writer [though not of Potterfics!] and when I see that people don't like what I write, it discourages me. But basically, you just have to take it and like you said, go on with it. Use it to your advantage.

I really like getting feedback when I post things, and it's usually never omfgyouresoterriblestopwriting, but basically good things and the occasional concrit, which I really do appreciate, if it comes in a friendly way. Just like "that kind of threw me off" "that was slightly OOC" something like that.

I've been involved in fandom for about a year and a half and I've just recently started writing and posting. And I will continue to. And I WILL continue to be upset at reviews if they're mean, or betas criticising something I really liked ... but I'll also smile at the good reviews, and thank every one of my posters. But then I'll go back to my life, writing stories which WILL get shot down by more than one college professor or publisher or some such reviewer.

I may have missed the point of this whole post. But I so love responding to your posts. I'm sorry if it's a bunch of irrelvancies or [quite possibly] a big ramble.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Back Golden Pairscoradh on August 4th, 2006 11:24 pm (UTC)
I'd love to meet the person who feels 100% about their fics at any time. I'd shake their hand. Sometimes I'm lucky, and the night after I write a new fic I like it. That all ends when I read it over. Lately I'm hating them as soon as I'm finished, which is a new and unpleasant development. All part of the growing crap, I guess.

I don't think it would work if you didn't take it personally. If you can step back from your fic to the point where you don't care if it's good or bad, then you're never going to go anywhere. It's the dark before the dawn -- if you can hold on until the point where it makes sense again, then you've made it. If you can't, it's harsh, but it wasn't for you in the first place. (Speaking as someone who's still not sure if the sun is ever going to rise.)

Very few people are mean for the sake of being mean, and they generally have Issues with it.

Given the second to last paragraph, you totally got the point -- that's what I said too. I'm glad my posts are amusing someone, anyway. Sometimes I go to bed wondering if people want to cut off my hands to stop me pressing that post button. TMI?
(no subject) - whatitistoburn1 on August 5th, 2006 12:34 am (UTC) (Expand)
zentarianazentariana on August 4th, 2006 04:56 am (UTC)
I don't think I've commented on any of your fic, but I've read it on Skyehawke. I liked it so much I've popped over here to see more about you. I read quite a lot of fic and rarely say anything.
So I'll say something, why not. Probably won't kill me. Your writing is amazing. Your characters are solid. Your dialog is believable. Actually, my only wah-point with you is that you end things dramatically and leave me screaming, "And then what?! ARG!"
..but that's not really a bad thing.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Adoredscoradh on August 4th, 2006 11:26 pm (UTC)
I was just thinking that if anyone did respond to this post with a comment about my fic, Murphy's Law should dictate that it was a bad comment. I'm glad I trumped the bastard for once. :P

I must go the opposite direction -- I squee on writers until it's quite embarrassing for both of us. I'm both glad you liked my stuff and decided to tell me, too. I always appreciate it. ♥
Tiniest ranting sexpot trollopgoldie on August 8th, 2006 09:20 am (UTC)
*ignores first half of post with affection :D*

That type of fic does exist. Marksy, prillalar, storyteller, and especially chriek (at her writing LJ worblehat) and pixxers have written it, all tasteful or cracky :D. It doe stake a while to get into the PoT-smex frame of mind though, so I understand completely. especially with all the heavy kink in HP, but as you've seen from many of the santa_smex requests, almost everyone tends to keep it age/experience-appropriate. Almost. :D Look in my memories for some good ones!
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Momokai punchscoradh on August 8th, 2006 10:04 pm (UTC)
*you couldn't make that shit up*

Eee, more recs! I've basically read my way through nearly all of Hal's stuff. I almost wish I'd found her back in HP, but then again I've no real interest in HP anymore (shh, don't tell anyone, I still have fics due o.O). I'll check out the others too.

It's not so much that I mind the sex -- there's always the futurefic, and I read 300 by Hal and that had some hot'n'heavy, but it's just that I prefer the fumbly touching so much more! Even in HP. It's just crap in HP, and really good here. I haven't read so much G-rated stuff since my first week in fandom.

As you may have tell, I have fallen hard for this. ♥

Anywhere I can go for some pairing icons, d'you know?
(no subject) - scoradh on August 8th, 2006 10:06 pm (UTC) (Expand)
I, Ociwenreposoir on August 12th, 2006 09:50 pm (UTC)

(Not that mine is tasteful or cracky, but I bloody well write pr0n too!)
I, Ociwenreposoir on August 12th, 2006 09:49 pm (UTC)
NC17 does exist!


And orphneritus has some and ver2frog and a few others. You're just not reading the right stuff!
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Blue kissscoradh on August 12th, 2006 10:37 pm (UTC)
I never doubted that. Though I'd be just as happy to read G from you or anyone in this fandom -- it really can handle it. Thus far, however, I have read through prillalar's and pixxers's memories. I am taking it vely vely slowly, because I'm enjoying it all too much to want to rush things.

In case you were wondering why I hadn't read any of your stuff yet! Which you probably weren't, but.
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