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24 August 2006 @ 09:00 pm
You may call me Jiroh  
Does anyone out there know of any methods to make yourself fall asleep? I don't have insomnia as such, but even when I'm really tired -- like now -- I find it difficult to get to sleep. I usually have to stay up till anywhere between one and three in the morning before my eyes will consent to the whole shutting biz. As you might have guessed, this will not be conducive to my study/lecture schedule in September. It happened all last year too -- I kept nodding off in the shower in the mornings, or having little naps when particularly soothing lecturers were talking. Usually physiologists. I failed physiology three times. You can see where I'm going with this.

So -- anything? Herbal remedies? Teas? Recs for meditation tapes? (I have two already, but they suck.) Voodoo? Glue? Anything, please, I'm begging here.

But if you're going to say 'start reading Carrie at one in the morning,' don't, because I tried that and it didn't work. Good book though.

ETA: Via one of mousapelli's fics (Track 2: Chemistry) I finally found out that Semisonic sings that song. Don't ever say that fanfic teaches you nothing!
Current Location: beddy bye byes
Current Mood: sleepysleepy
Current Music: You Learn (Alanis Morisette)
mad_martha on August 24th, 2006 09:50 pm (UTC)
Hot chocolate and reading a chapter or two of a book I'm really familiar with (something not too thrilling!) once I'm actually in bed - that usually works.

I, er, also turn the light out, lie back and plot improbable fics as well. But I do that all the time (the plotting, not the lights-out-and-lie-black thing), so I can't swear to it working.

But definitely hot chocolate. Yes, even at this time of year.

I need a hot chocolate icon.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 25th, 2006 09:45 pm (UTC)
I do that too -- read in bed. It's grown to such dimensions that I can't sleep without doing that, so maybe I need to break the habit. o.O

If I came up with a plot -- it's so rare, you see -- I have to right it down straight away. Which means turning the light back on, grabbing my glasses, notebook and a pen and trying to write legibly (never easy at the best of times). So that'd wake me up MORE.

I love hot chocolate though. Yummy.
(no subject) - mad_martha on August 25th, 2006 10:05 pm (UTC) (Expand)
I, Ociwenreposoir on August 24th, 2006 09:52 pm (UTC)
1. Earplugs.

2. No tea with caffeine before bed (ie. for at least 3-4 hours beforehand).

3. Hot bath (really works, makes me v v v lethargic).

Also, no citrus smells (as they are invigorating) but chamomile and lavendar are supposed to help- be it in soaps or potpurri or aromatherapy oils sprinkled on your bed. That also works for me.
I, Ociwenreposoir on August 24th, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC)
Another thing I found really helps is to make my bed a sleep-only zone. Ie. when I used to read in bed before bed I had a very hard time falling asleep because my body was associating my bed not with sleep, but with reading. So, now I ONLY sleep in my bed and it has helped a lot.
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JR: odio la vida realevalangui on August 24th, 2006 10:05 pm (UTC)
Getting up early sucks...
Hot bath and plotting, definitely( though not both). The bath just leaves you warm and that helps drowsiness imo(not in summer, obviously XD) And the plotting stories( or maybe it's better just playing out scenes you already know are going to happen in a fic so you don't have the compulsion to get up and write the plot point)it's just a way of being in a very good position to fall asleep without actively trying to, because nothing kills sleep so much as trying to sleep. I usually fall asleep while thinking about a story so i don't notice :D

Well, hope you find a solution...
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 25th, 2006 10:02 pm (UTC)
Hell yeah!
Thanks for the advice! I will definitely try it -- although I am afraid of having to write out the plots. :)
starts with k: Kaidou Santaanyotherknight on August 24th, 2006 10:43 pm (UTC)
I actually own 'Sleepy Time' tea. There is a bear with a nightie on the front -- Works wonders.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 25th, 2006 09:46 pm (UTC)
Ooh, interesting. I must check out Tesco online or something -- I highly doubt my local grocer's would carry anything half so useful. Sigh.
Cait: sad chasecoralia13 on August 24th, 2006 10:46 pm (UTC)
One thing that I found worked (and this is a little weird) was mentally counting beans. Lima beans, kidney beans, whatever - but my problem was always that my head wouldn't stop buzzing at me, and closing my eyes and imagining little smooth beans being shifted from one imaginary pile to the next took enough concentration to force out whatever else was vying for my attention, without being so consuming as to keep me awake. That being said, I imagine other people have much better suggestions.

Hope you get some sleep soon!
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Chibi Ryomascoradh on August 25th, 2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
[grins] Sounds good, but it's the sort of thing I've tried lots of times before. My mind just won't be corralled that way. I can barely even meditate, you know -- the brain just says 'Fics/boys, now' and that's it. Sigh.

Thank you though! And I do sleep -- just not enough. :(
(no subject) - coralia13 on August 26th, 2006 08:55 pm (UTC) (Expand)
secretsolitairesecretsolitaire on August 24th, 2006 11:23 pm (UTC)
I have a yoga tape called P.M. Yoga for Beginners that's only about 20 minutes. The stretches aren't too difficult, especially after you've done them a few times, and there's a lot of emphasis on deep breathing -- good for relaxation. The tape has you lie on your back at the end, and a lot of times I just want to fall asleep just like that instead of getting up and going to bed. Works for me!

Hope this helps. :-)
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 25th, 2006 10:11 pm (UTC)
$2.99? Sweet. I think I sense an early Christmas present coming along ...

I'll let you know how that goes! I've never been any more flexible than your average iron bar -- but anything to get me some decent Zs. xD
Aliciaaliciajd on August 24th, 2006 11:32 pm (UTC)
From an old hypnosis course I took for weight loss:

1. Get everything comfortable in your bedroom and bed.

2. Then breathe deeply with your eyes closed and imagine that you are somewhere very pleasant and quiet: For example lying in the sand on a warm day on a secluded beach.

3. Lie on your back and think about your toes and how relaxed they feel. Concentrate on them until they really do begin to feel relaxed. Then move on to your arches ... then your ankles and on up your body. Focusing on each part in order until it feels relaxed. When you get to your chest, move to your fingertips and on up your arms.

I've never got to my arms, if you do this properly, you'll be asleep in ten minutes or less. The key here is mentally relaxing your entire body and breathing deeply while not letting your mind wander off your body.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Armscoradh on August 25th, 2006 09:06 pm (UTC)
That sounds like an interesting technique. I'll be sure to try it out when I go to bed (if I don't pull one of my three-am-ers again, that is). Thank you!
...: [House] Cheesechowburger on August 25th, 2006 12:04 am (UTC)
I have no idea where I read this, and I hope I'm not just making it up totally randomly, but if you hold onto your thumb with your other hand for about a minute, then move onto the index finger, then the middle finger and so on and so forth, it's supposed to make you drift off.
It usually works for me, so I hope I'm not just talking crap. Otherwise, I just listen to a book on tape - I really can't sleep without one.
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 25th, 2006 09:11 pm (UTC)
That sounds good -- hell, if it works for you I'm willing to lay bets that it'll work for me.

What books do you listen to? I would quite like to get a reader with a nice voice, and given that you have equally poor access to sources as me, your rec would be helpful. :D
(no subject) - chowburger on August 27th, 2006 11:45 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Shezan: Mary Renault - The Friendly Young Ladiesshezan on August 25th, 2006 02:23 am (UTC)
I tale Melatonin 20 minutes before going to sleep. It helps with jet lag and I have found it helps with insomnia. It's, not a drug, either.
Kelleycopperbeech on August 25th, 2006 03:44 pm (UTC)
Be careful with melatonin. It can disrupt ovulation in a big way.
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(no subject) - scoradh on August 25th, 2006 10:15 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Halrloprillalar: julianprillalar on August 25th, 2006 04:32 am (UTC)
I'm a bad sleeper. I've found that light cues make a big difference. If I read in a dim room for at least half an hour before bed, then make sure I don't get a big dose of light before getting into bed, that helps a lot. (I try not to read *in* bed.)
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Back Golden Pairscoradh on August 25th, 2006 09:49 pm (UTC)
Yes, reading in bed seems to mitigate against the whole falling-asleep thing. It'll be hard for me to break the habit of nearly fifteen years, though. Still, I'll try your method too -- I'm going to try every method I can (although not, in some cases, simultaneously). Thanks!
gwathhenationgwathhenation on August 25th, 2006 04:43 am (UTC)
Don't watch any T.V. or go on the computer for a few hours before you go to bed. Screens are bad, as are red-light alarm clocks.

I by no means practice what I preach, but my doctor says that is an important one. ;)
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Armageddonscoradh on August 25th, 2006 09:38 pm (UTC)
Che, I spend most of the day waiting till I can go on the internet or watch TV at night! God, why must you make this so hard?! :P But if it's a choice between fic and sleep ... well, fic's definitely winning at the mo. Thanks!
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seana_sseana_s on August 25th, 2006 10:32 am (UTC)
I like herbal teas - anything with valerian in is good, and the Sleepy Time tea anyotherknight mentioned is really tasty and soothing, I think it's a mix of chamomile, peppermint and other relaxing herbs. Although hot chocolate is just as good :)

On the other hand, my housemate has always had trouble sleeping (one of those people who just can't turn off her thoughts) and was advised to play spoken word tapes at an audible but not loud volume. She listens to things she knows really well, like HP and Just William, and that stops her thinking too much and because she's familiar with them, the plot doesn't keep her awake either.
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Fangirlscoradh on August 25th, 2006 10:06 pm (UTC)
I'm definitely going to try get my hands on that one. It sounds ideal.

I was thinking of getting Sense and Sensibility, read by Kate Winslet, once. I think I should. She has a nice voice.

Thanks for the advice!
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Kelleycopperbeech on August 25th, 2006 03:41 pm (UTC)
Valerian is very helpful for me. It is the herbal base for valium. Sometimes i have to take 2-3 depending on dosage. It does have a bit of a hangover.

Passionflower is useful if your mind spins when you lie down. It won't make you sleepy, just improves the quality of sleep.

Things like observing the same schedule for a while will help. Go to bed at the same time, even if you are not sleepy, and wake up at the same time (and get up) even if you are hammered. Don't eat refined sugars or preservatives, and don't eat anything after 8 at night. Drink tons of water to keep your system clear and moving so that nothing is recycling bad hormones...

Voodoo also works well for me. Seriosly--I do a lot of shamanic stuff that has helped me more than anything.

*tucks you in*
every Starbucks should have a polar bear: Apollo balletscoradh on August 25th, 2006 09:18 pm (UTC)
Wow, I can't wait till we start pharmacology. I feel very uninformed about all these -- compounds? drugs? thingies? :D

That's a good idea -- about the routine -- and it would probably work if it weren't for the fact that my internet hours are limited to late at night. I can't see my mother buying my routine as a reason for spending hours online during peak time. Unfortunately ... But eating after eight sounds like something I could not do; same with the water. Thanks!
(no subject) - copperbeech on August 25th, 2006 09:25 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Melanie: Random } Mindless entertainment4am_secret on August 25th, 2006 10:23 pm (UTC)
I have the exact same problem! I'm also guilty of reading in bed at night :P The ONLY thing that ever seems to work for me is to either leave the television on, or music playing. The background noise lulls me, and I think it also stops me from thinking too much.

I think my main problem is psychological - no matter how tired I am and how much I really love sleep, I only have so much time in a day due to how much I work. It feels frustrating to not even be conscious for such a big chunk of it! But thanks for posting this, because I think I'm going to try out some of the advice you've been given :)
every Starbucks should have a polar bearscoradh on August 25th, 2006 10:27 pm (UTC)
According to my sociology lecturer, if you need total quiet to study and sleep you're an introvert. And that's me. Even people talking is too much noise for me.

Same here! It's like, I have only so much time to spend doing fun stuff -- rather that than sleeping! O, well.
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